Black rifle prices

Ar180shooter said:
In all honesty, I'm not really interested in what you have to say because you started out by demonstrating you don't know what you're talking about. The Tavors that IRUN guns imports are U.S. made. The Tavors we get here as NR are Israeli made. To start off, they're made on the other side of the world. They're also made with special 18.5" barrels, just for the Canadian market (the standard Tavor made for the Israeli military has 460mm, or 18.1" barrels). This means they're doing a special run of barrels just for us. This is not free.

It is also valid to point out that IRUN guns is operating an import business, not a wholesale or retail business (both levels need to make profits). Their main office is in the states. This really cuts down on costs. They don't have to run the whole operation from Canada, which, as has been discussed in length, is more expensive than running a business in Canada. They are also bypassing the established distribution networks and are bypassing the Canadian importer (middleman). This cuts down on costs, but don't expect warranty service on the Canadian side if it's required.

You are also assuming that retailers are buying the guns for the same price that IRUN guns is. This is not correct. Very few Canadian firearm retailers import the products themselves. Most buy them from distributors that import the firearms themselves. These distributers need to make a profit themselves, and cover the costs of operation and importation. They are also unable to acquire the same sort of volume discounts that U.S. companies can. They also do not get priority from the manufacturers, who often are more concerned with fulfilling U.S. orders before export, because of the smaller order volume.

So you have the cost of importation, profit for the importer, and profit for the retailer. This means that an item that's only $500 in the U.S. is going for well over $650 up here, but the retailer still only makes 20%.
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i clearly stated the difference in the tavors they are importing, but the cost should be similar.

irunguns is both a canadian and a US company. main office yes in the states, but they also have a building (storage) facilility in canada which they process orders out of and comply wih all canadian laws. yes they cut costs where they can..thats a given but that is also highly reflected in the price.

im not assuming retailers are buying direct from the mfrg, they mostly use a middleman to make is simple.... so why dont they go straight to the mfrg like e US shops? some do some dont.
as for volume sales, that depends on the item. local shop gets 20 glocks in and has them sold within a week, cz shadows on backorders, NEA on backorder untill recently and the are Canadian (once upon a time i think oneshot had some of their products) rainer arms on backorder, muzzle brakes, Cadex on massive backoder wen i tried to get one last year, KAC is what a 6 month wait to get a lower... the market is there, the products arent.
 
I don't know about prices, but everytime I want to buy a firearm that I like I'm always going on a frantic hunt to find one. Everything is always sold out, or on backorder, or dunno when we'll get more maybe in 2 years, on stuck somewhere in limbo land. Frankly I don't know what's going on?

Maybe retailers should stop trying to sell their 6000$ .338 lapua barrets and focus on firearms that there is an actual demand for. Maybe running some inventory analysis would help? It's not hard, if you had 10 of them and you sold out in 1 month, and people keep asking you about them and you get grumpy, hummm maybe you should start stocking more next time.

Is there a disconnect as to what retailers think will sell and what actually people are buying? Is that the reason why gun shop owners are gumpy? Yes I believe so.
 
ez8 said:
you go direct to some mfrgs
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Darren has a few lines that would only be available if he dealt directly.
He even had one snatched away. ........

Retailers are wise to offer products that don't have distribution agreements.
The monopoly by Gangsters like rnicholls , Korth and Gravel have cost Canadian firearm owners Dearly. $$$$$
 
rivetc78 said:
Darren has a few lines that would only be available if he dealt directly.
He even had one snatched away. ........

Retailers are wise to offer products that don't have distribution agreements.
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i realize that, and i think that sucked when that 1 last year got taken away.
he has done a lot for the Canadian market and brought in lots of products over the years...and ive ordered quite a bit from him.

that desnt change the fact that the canadian market prices are grossly inflated....i refuse to believe that stores here pay is what customers in the states pay, especially wen going straight to the mfrg and importing them yourself.
then there is the whole 6 month wait at the border, but irunguns does it in abut 4 weeks usually at worst.
the wait is most likely for the store building up a bigger order, combined shipping ten doing 1 mass import at once.

there is the whole beowulf mag import thing happening as well, i emailed the mfrg and they have them in stock, i could buy direct from them if i was in the states. they sell for less than half the price the are being sold here for. am i going to go import them? no.. not interested seeing that i only want a couple. but it doesnt cost $25 per mag to pin it and bring it in...then add the mass purchase discount.. call it 20% off USA retail price.... if they are willing to sell to me you bet they will sell to other shops here who are willing to go 5 round pin them and ship them cross the border. (irunguns???? )
http://www.shopalexanderarms.com/Parts_Accessories-Magazines.html

in canada, shooting is not a poor mans sport, in the states everyone can afford to shoot (with the exception of the 2013 blow out sale price hikes)
 
ez8 said:
i realize that, and i think that sucked when that 1 last year got taken away.
he has done a lot for the Canadian market and brought in lots of products over the years...and ive ordered quite a bit from him.

that desnt change the fact that the canadian market prices are grossly inflated....i refuse to believe that stores here pay is what customers in the states pay, especially wen going straight to the mfrg and importing them yourself.
then there is the whole 6 month wait at the border, but irunguns does it in abut 4 weeks usually at worst.
the wait is most likely for the store building up a bigger order, combined shipping ten doing 1 mass import at once.

there is the whole beowulf mag import thing happening as well, i emailed the mfrg and they have them in stock, i could buy direct from them if i was in the states. they sell for less than half the price the are being sold here for. am i going to go import them? no.. not interested seeing that i only want a couple. but it doesnt cost $25 per mag to pin it and bring it in...then add the mass purchase discount.. call it 20% off USA retail price.... if they are willing to sell to me you bet they will sell to other shops here who are willing to go 5 round pin them and ship them cross the border. (irunguns???? )
http://www.shopalexanderarms.com/Parts_Accessories-Magazines.html

in canada, shooting is not a poor mans sport, in the states everyone can afford to shoot (with the exception of the 2013 blow out sale price hikes)
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I take it you not self employed? or own your own company?
So I take it you also have no idea what it costs to stay afloat in the gun biz in Canada??
Its not as simple as you make it out to be, also you can own and run a company in the US of A of 1/4 of the cost of the same company anywhere in Canada.
USA, no import tax, no customs paperwork, no high value shipping costs across the border. no customs hold at $500 a day and up.
No 13% hst to be paid up front
Also like its been said we only have 5 major large scale importers for the whole of Canada.
NY state alone has 17, even the small distributor in NY is 4x bigger then north sylva.
If it was as easy and simple as people make it out to be, their would be no Korth, NS, fn sports, inland , Gravle or trigger wholesale.
 
Im just fed up with the common line that we are supposed to believe that we have have to pay so much more than the states.
I am calling bull#### on that. Thats what these large companies want us to believe.
Look at what IRUNGUNS is doing, much better prices and I sure bet they are turning a profit or they would not be doing it.
I think the problem is greed....."make them pay" as we have no where else to go.
Things are changing, their are other options now. Heck you can even do it yourself and save money.
I dont own a gun dealership, nor do I want to. But if you can import direct....it seems the way to go
 
CdnCombatMedic said:
Im just fed up with the common line that we are supposed to believe that we have have to pay so much more than the states.
I am calling bull#### on that. Thats what these large companies want us to believe.
Look at what IRUNGUNS is doing, much better prices and I sure bet they are turning a profit or they would not be doing it.
I think the problem is greed....."make them pay" as we have no where else to go.
Things are changing, their are other options now. Heck you can even do it yourself and save money.
I dont own a gun dealership, nor do I want to. But if you can import direct....it seems the way to go
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Same with cars, same with clothes, same with food. Everything here is 30 to 50% more up here, and everyone has been giving us the song and dance since Britton Woods conference and the ppp at 20% for anything Canada.

On top of the ppp, distributors sign these exclusivity deals with manufacturers for the whole canadian market region, and can pretty much charge us anything they want.

Have you looked at the price of a BMW in the US and the price of the same model in Canada? You're looking at 40% more for Canada, yet both cars come from Germany and ended up at the same port of entry for the continent.
 
CdnCombatMedic said:
Im just fed up with the common line that we are supposed to believe that we have have to pay so much more than the states.
I am calling bull#### on that. Thats what these large companies want us to believe.
Look at what IRUNGUNS is doing, much better prices and I sure bet they are turning a profit or they would not be doing it.
I think the problem is greed....."make them pay" as we have no where else to go.
Things are changing, their are other options now. Heck you can even do it yourself and save money.
I dont own a gun dealership, nor do I want to. But if you can import direct....it seems the way to go
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yes I do feel your pain, but as you said things are changing, I think you will see a new type of wholesale / importers over the next few years, that is until something big happens in the US or Canada, then it,s back to 1992 again as far as importing go,s
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badboybeeson said:
I take it you not self employed? or own your own company?
So I take it you also have no idea what it costs to stay afloat in the gun biz in Canada??
Its not as simple as you make it out to be, also you can own and run a company in the US of A of 1/4 of the cost of the same company anywhere in Canada.
USA, no import tax, no customs paperwork, no high value shipping costs across the border. no customs hold at $500 a day and up.
No 13% hst to be paid up front
Also like its been said we only have 5 major large scale importers for the whole of Canada.
NY state alone has 17, even the small distributor in NY is 4x bigger then north sylva.
If it was as easy and simple as people make it out to be, their would be no Korth, NS, fn sports, inland , Gravle or trigger wholesale.
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not self employed...but for a reason.

i will not believe that the importing process tacks on 30-50% to the cost of the items RETAIL price in the states. and i will not believe that irunguns has some magic power that makes them able to import and sell to us for close to what retail in the states is, which is apparently less than what stores can get them here for.
didnt canadian tire have some non-r tavors for sale for $2399 just a couple months ago? you know they made a profit off those.

and to be fair, irunguns is selling 1 pistol for more than it goes for at other stores in canada for...but its also sold out everywhere... ppq navy...oh i want one...
 
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Now we have North Sylva telling everyone the T97 has been oversold. Get yours now for $999-$1099 because the next shipment will be $1199. LOL

Get ours now for $1100 because someone else will bring some in for $900 later in the year
 
rivetc78 said:
Now we have North Sylva telling everyone the T97 has been oversold. Get yours now for $999-$1099 because the next shipment will be $1199. LOL

Get ours now for $1100 because someone else will bring some in for $900 later in the year
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this is 1 rifle i think is priced fairly.
yes its a norc, so it should be a little less but compared to "like guns" eg non r black rifles.. its at a good pricepoint.
i just dont like the carry handle... ide rather a flat top...and honestly, if it was a flat top i would have ordered.
 
CdnCombatMedic said:
I honestly don't know what's so special about the T97. For one it's ugly as sin and two, it's Norinco lol.
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its not special...its just non restricted, a bullpup at a better price point that interests a larger market.
if the AR was non r (one could only dream) there would be next to no tavor market in canada...(IMO) but thats not this thread.
ill be garbing a tavor once it comes in the config i want, which is non-r in a bigger caliber that i can deer hunt with. 7.62x39 or x51 is preference. i think they should be able to make it in 7.62x39....and hope they do soon.
 
IMHO the lower the retail prices we as Canadians can attain in the firearms market the more beneficial it will be in the long run to both retailers and buyers and the firearms industry as a whole. The more shooters we can get into this sport will increase our chances of keeping our sport going for our children and future generations. Politicians will have less power to inact laws that restrict our freedoms the more main stream and widely accepted our sport becomes.

Steve

IRUNGUNS
 
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