Ok so I went out and I checked out a few scopes today, including the Vortex PST, and honestly I was not that impressed with it. I was however quite impressed with the glass on the Razor HD which seems to be in a whole other class of quality. Anyone have experience with the Razor HD?
Sightron S3 6x24x50 vs Vortex Viper PST 6-24
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Standby for insult.
In a previous post he said he doesn't even own one.
You guys are poking a bear
Whole nother class of price too....
Sightron has upped the ante with FFP scopes lately. Until then, Vortex was the only real option in the price range. Budget is by far the largest concern for most, otherwise this discussion would have no point.
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I've not used a Sighttron yet, but bought a Vortex Viper 3.5-10x last year. It has served mostly on my 222rem, but has been serving time on a 270win the past couple months getting it's components tested. (not that a 270win is brutal, but the recoil is unbraked is quite long) It's a SFP reticle, and thus far I am happy with it considering the affordability, but the glass is not near the Zeiss' that is permanent on the 6.5. I want (more like need) another scope soon, and have been thinking about the Sighttron in similar range as the Zeiss I have(6.5-20) as I want to try different products, and the Sighttron has some different pros and cons. I like the greater adjustment range, which will be important as I intend on building a 7mm Express for long range: The price is very nice too, and although that is appealing, it is of lesser importance than quality. It's mostly my curiosity, otherwise I'd stick with what I already like and am used to. I will be curious to compare glass quality of the SIII to the Conquest, expecting the latter to be superior. The only problem thus far I can see with the Viper is a common complaint I read most places and that is the fringe circumference of the glass is not crisp and clean: This is noticeable when you do use Zeiss and up quality glass.
Vortex Razor seems to be very nice, and while I have looked through the largest one, I do not have a worthwhile opinion as I haven't actually used it. They retail just over 2g though.
Vortex Razor seems to be very nice, and while I have looked through the largest one, I do not have a worthwhile opinion as I haven't actually used it. They retail just over 2g though.
You say your gear as well. Do you know where your socks are made? or how the rubber for the elastic in your ginch was harvested? Do you actually believe that because the sticker said made in the USA that it had anything more than that sticker made in the USA? Where is the steel from your barrels from?
You do know that chinese manufacturers, sweatshop or not, in general have equal or greater quality than made in the USA items right?. Some of the worlds leading manufacturing procedures are developed in China.
The China of even 5 years ago is vastly different than the current China, they have learned that cheap garbage will no longer make them the money it used to be of American purse strings being tighter. I order ~1000 worth of items from China a month, items that would cost me around 15,000 to buy locally. 3 years ago when I started ordering this stuff I had a Made with pride in the USA and a Made in Canada item. Visually I could not tell them apart, I was pretty sure they were all made in the same factory. I replaced the Made in the USA one for the 3rd time last week, all warranty. The Made in Canada one, while still working, has not held up as well as the Chinese one.
You sound like an ignorant self entitled brat.
I have a Vortex PST. Is it a NF or Sightron? No. Is it excellent on my at max 300 yard coyote gun. ABSOLUTELY. I lost one of the caps, they sent me a free one. I slipped and ended up smashing the scope on rock, yup, they sent me a new one. Do I notice a difference in the sightron and the Vertex at 300 yards... not enough to make the 200 worth it. At 500 yards is the sightron worth it? Probably, although a couple hundred in ammo makes a difference in your shooting ability too. At 600 yards, ya, get the Sightron, you'll most certainly be happier.
Scientifically the best optics in the world come out of Germany, Abbott, Schott and I guess I will put Zeiss in the list too, although they are not really at the medical imaging level like Abbott or Schott.
Hoya is really the only notable glass manufacture in Japan. And while they make something like 40% of the worlds specialty glass (ie not window panes) they are certainly not the best. I wouldn't be surprised if they made the lenses for Vertex, NF, and sightron. But I don't know enough about the glass in the scopes to say that with any certainty.
I got my Sightron SIII FFP LRMD 6-24x50 for $1090 from Prophet River Firearms. They ordered it in special for me, and still gave me that outstanding price. Not sure if you know but the MSRP is nearly 1400 for it. Last time I checked another local retailer is selling the Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 for $1050. Honestly that's 40 bucks for one heck of an upgrade IMHO. I don't think the two even compare. My friend and I have nearly the same rifle, with these two scopes. The difference in clarity is noticeable immediately.
Scientifically the best optics in the world come out of Germany, Abbott, Schott and I guess I will put Zeiss in the list too, although they are not really at the medical imaging level like Abbott or Schott.
Hoya is really the only notable glass manufacture in Japan. And while they make something like 40% of the worlds specialty glass (ie not window panes) they are certainly not the best. I wouldn't be surprised if they made the lenses for Vertex, NF, and sightron. But I don't know enough about the glass in the scopes to say that with any certainty.[/QUOTE]
Scientifically the best optics in the world come out of Germany, Abbott, Schott and I guess I will put Zeiss in the list too, although they are not really at the medical imaging level like Abbott or Schott.
Hoya is really the only notable glass manufacture in Japan. And while they make something like 40% of the worlds specialty glass (ie not window panes) they are certainly not the best. I wouldn't be surprised if they made the lenses for Vertex, NF, and sightron. But I don't know enough about the glass in the scopes to say that with any certainty.[/QUOTE]
Give it time. Then buy a sightron and experience quality glass.
What's the new SIII6-24 non-FFP LRIRMOA selling for. That's the only scope I'd compare the Vortex PST to being that it has a zero stop. I don't care about the lighted reticle. I don't shoot at night.
It has a MRSP of $1400USD. Looks like around $1250 USD on some websites. That means $400-450+ more than the PST. My guess is you can't slide yourself into this model for at least $1400 here, therefore nearly doubling the price of the Vortex. Is it twice the scope? Up to you to decide I guess.
I still don't like the soft turning knobs, and overly stiff parallax. Good thing I'm not a hunter either. I'd never trust those knobs to remain where they are supposed to be.
This would likely be the only scope I'd replace my Vortex with at the moment but still can't justify the cost difference. If I had the cash I'd do the NF ATACS just for the large field of view.
It has a MRSP of $1400USD. Looks like around $1250 USD on some websites. That means $400-450+ more than the PST. My guess is you can't slide yourself into this model for at least $1400 here, therefore nearly doubling the price of the Vortex. Is it twice the scope? Up to you to decide I guess.
I still don't like the soft turning knobs, and overly stiff parallax. Good thing I'm not a hunter either. I'd never trust those knobs to remain where they are supposed to be.
This would likely be the only scope I'd replace my Vortex with at the moment but still can't justify the cost difference. If I had the cash I'd do the NF ATACS just for the large field of view.
Nope, but it's a feature used multiple times every single time I go shooting. Can't see a reason why I wouldn't want it.
Everybody has their preferences. I prefer to have a simple device the allows me to quickly zero my elevation in a matter of a second or two without second thought. There's enough to keep in mind when shooting. Finding a mark on the turret isn't one of them.
