Ruger vs. Tikka... Thoughts?

Don't the new Hawkeyes come with LC9 triggers? I know my LC6 in my gunsite scout is a bit heavy for sure, but it's decently crisp.
My action was rough out of the box but now it is now quite smooth after cycling it while watching TV. My friend with a CZ550 actually commented how smooth my action is compared to his.
 
crazydave said:
Don't know what kind of background with fixing or maintaining equipment is but as someone who did work on equipment for years i can tell you that friction=wear, now the less friction means there is less wear.

Rugers as near as i can tell have not been reknowned for their accuracy, but they are known for heavy triggers, if i wanted a rifle to perform mediocre i would buy a ruger, if i wanted a rough action i would buy a ruger, if i wanted a accurate rifle with a rough action i would buy a tikka and throw a handfull of sand in the action.

But seeing as i like smooth handling rifles that i won't wear out the action or grind my teeth when loading i will stick with tikka.
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Wearing out an action!....Man, I've seen that a hundred times...Couple hunting seasons down and just throw it away b/c it's worn out....

Good grief....

I'll take a Ruger 77 (tang, Mark II, Hawkeye) over a T3 any day of the week and I'm thinking the 1/4" - 3/8" wider group won't make a lick of difference in my success (or happiness).
 
Anyone want to talk about how twisted and out of square the Ruger actions are?? (50% of the ring alignment problems are actually from crooked receivers the other 50% is the rings them selves)

Tikkas actions are dammed true to the bolt raceways and the bbls are screwed on straight to! Stuff that really matters!!


THAT should get them going... No wait its to technical so lets just focus on plastic bolt shrouds that don't do anything...LOL
 
How well do T3s handle a case failure (which can even happen with factory ammo)?

How well does a T3 recoil lug hold up to recoil in anything with more push than a .30-06 over the life of the rifle?

I'll stop now...some of my T3 shootin' friends may read this :).
 
Last Ruger I bought shot 1.25" groups at 100 with factory ammo. Inch or less with handloads. Ive posted pics before of a Ruger that put 14 rounds with different powder charges through a 2" hole. I don't know where this idea that Rugers aren't accurate comes from. Maybe because 30 years ago they outsourced thier barrels and had some issues, but that was 20 or 30 years ago.
 
Tikka has a better trigger, one of the best made on a production rifle that I've ever tried.
OTOH Ruger doesn't have the cheap looking plastic bolt shroud and trigger guard.
They both shoot well enough although I'd give the edge to the Tikka in my experience.
 
Every once and awhile I feel like going on a "accuracy in hunting rifles rant." I guess now is time for one of those again....

I spend quite a bit of time at gun ranges. In this time I get to talk to a lot of different people and see different rifles, how they shoot, etc. Out of hundreds of people I can count on my fingers how many hunting rifles/shooters can consistently shoot sub 1" groups from a bench with a mechanical front rest and rear sandbag never mind from actual field shooting positions. The people that can pull it off are knowledgeable enough to know that when your groups are down around that size a 1/2" in group size off the bench means diddly squat for hunting purposes...even at extended ranges (400-500 yards). Yet many people refer to their rifle/handload combo as being a "sub MOA" performer...b/c they have shot groups under 1" or even under a half...and even saved the targets for show and tell. Heck, with my own hunting rifles I have shot many tiny groups, even some at extended ranges but I can't say that myself or those rifles are "sub MOA" guns b/c sometimes I shoot 1.25", 1.5" groups. Shockingly, I still manage to kill game and my d!ck is still firmly attached.

I've shot with guys that can pop clay birds set-up on the berm at 300 while laying prone in a sling with damn near every single shot with a rifle that is "only" MOAish...meaning the few times groups are fired with it group size is anywhere from 3/4" - 1.5". Myself, I haven't mastered shooting in a sling, so I prefer to lay over a pack and even then every few shots I scare the clay bird into jumping around on the dirt pile before I break 'em into little pieces :). At 200 and 250 missing the bird is a rare exception....and this is from a field position with only an MOAish rifle.

I'll keep doing what I do but if anyone knows which range all the internet hunters visit I'd love to go to it and finally see the endless internet claims of consistent sub MOA and half MOA guns and their owners in action....for more than one group....remember consistent.

Ruger wins.:rockOn:
 
I'd say sub MOA rifles are extremely common....shooters.....possibly not. Tight groups mean a lot at extended ranges...by extended I mean over 400. 1.25 MOA rifles just don't cut it at those ranges. With the number of very accurate off the shelf rifles available today, I can't see why anyone would settle for anything but sub MOA accuracy.
 
Also what good is a rifle that suddenly shoots 4" off of where you last left it. My Rugers seemed to like to do that, same as many other brands in wooden stocks that are not seasoned, not bedded and have dumb forend pressure wagging the bbl back and forth and up and down. Same goes with the crap Ruger (and rem win etc..) plastic stocks bending and flexing around. The Tikka stock is the stiffest out there in the price range no doubt about that! and the non-traditional recoil lug just plain works and has been copied by at least 2 different company's INCLUDING RUGER!! Not only that but the VERY LOOK of the Tikka stock has even been copied by Ruger
 
Republic of Alberta said:
Anyone want to talk about how twisted and out of square the Ruger actions are?? (50% of the ring alignment problems are actually from crooked receivers the other 50% is the rings them selves)

Tikkas actions are dammed true to the bolt raceways and the bbls are screwed on straight to! Stuff that really matters!!


THAT should get them going... No wait its to technical so lets just focus on plastic bolt shrouds that don't do anything...LOL
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If the bolt shroud serves no purpose, why do bolt shrouds exist?

If any extra gases make it out the back if a primer ever pops, that shroud is going to end up in the shooters face.
 
sheephunter said:
And you are happy with that? No question for a medium range hunting rifle it's acceptable but...........not something I'd use to argue that they are accurate rifles.
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You forgot to include where I said it shot under an inch with handloads. The rifle is capable of great accuracy if it's fed good ammo. It's capable of very good accuracy with factory ammo. 1.25" at 100 translates into about 5" at 400. A deer kill zone is twice that size.
 
Gatehouse said:
You forgot to include where I said it shot under an inch with handloads. The rifle is capable of great accuracy if it's fed good ammo. It's capable of very good accuracy. 1.25" at 100 translates into about 5" at 400. A deer kill zone is twice that size.
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From the centre of the kill zone on a deer to the edge is 5"....you need to be shooting sub MOA at 500 to ensure you are in the kill zone. A 1.25 inch group at 100 yards does not necessarily equate to 5" at 400 yards...in fact it most likely doesn't. Come on Gate, you know this stuff.

I'm not a fan of rifles with fussy barrels. One thing I've noticed about most Tikkas is that they typically shoot whatever you stuff in them extremely well.
 
Republic of Alberta said:
Also what good is a rifle that suddenly shoots 4" off of where you last left it. My Rugers seemed to like to do that, same as many other brands in wooden stocks that are not seasoned, not bedded and have dumb forend pressure wagging the bbl back and forth and up and down. Same goes with the crap Ruger (and rem win etc..) plastic stocks bending and flexing around. The Tikka stock is the stiffest out there in the price range no doubt about that! and the non-traditional recoil lug just plain works and has been copied by at least 2 different company's INCLUDING RUGER!! Not only that but the VERY LOOK of the Tikka stock has even been copied by Ruger
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The Ruger company isn't stupid. When they see Sako selling cheap knock offs labeled as T3s they are going to want a piece of the bargain rifle market too. So they made the Ruger American.
 
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