Easy enough. Want one? I sold him that one.
For a sub-$1000, non-restricted gun with Pmag compatibility, this thing ain't bad.
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Easy enough. Want one? I sold him that one.
im finding it quite humorous the amount of people complaining about cracked recievers. From what ive researched that is no longer an issue. it was with the first run of these guns and whatever was causing it has been fixed. As for dealing with vault, i havent had a problem with them. time is a factor when dealing with them but it gets handled.
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You must have had a much better experience than other people.
I've had no real problems with mine. Love it. Great gun IMO. I'm not sure if the warranty from vault transfers with ownership so I'd buy new. I bought mine new. Only had to deal with vault for a screw on the reciever. Vibrates loose. They replaced it. Tool a while but it was done.
Don't listen to the haters. They are just jealous they spent over 2k on a tavor or xcr to have the same amount of fun.
Don't listen to the haters. They are just jealous they spent over 2k on a tavor or xcr to have the same amount of fun.
I will not disrespect the Kel Tec as I own S2K, RFB and KSG. I have also owned multiple XCR 's and still own a few Tavors. A comment like could only come from someone who has no hands on experience with either of those more expensive rifles. Fun is a relative term. I have fun shooting everything I own but hands down the XCR and Tavor are better built firearms.
I don't debate that overall the tavor and xcr are better built firearms, and I have has experience shooting both. I am just saying those that have those type rifles often chime in on threads saying that the firearms other people have bought that are not in the same price range are somewhat lesser gun owners. At the end of the day it's a great bush/fun/black rifle that doesn't hold the same price tag. I'm sure now I will be jumped on for standing up for this rifle. Bring it. I love mine. I encourage others to buy. Don't hate cause like I said before, we all can't afford the higher end rifles.
Not going to jump on you at all. I have many friends with SU16's that are more than satisfied with their rifles and have had zero issues what so ever. I would have no hesitation to buy one myself. Your jealousy comment is all I was commenting on. Not everyone can throw down for a $2g+ rifle and they don't have too and yes some people have a superiority complex base purely on the value of the rifle but to say that XCR and Tavor owners are jealous isn't fair. Hard earned money for most to purchase any rifle.
I can confirm for you that the warranty does NOT transfer. If there wasn't an issue with firearms and the border, Kel Tec is actually quite willing to fix these rifles even if they are not under warranty. The problem is the US/Canada border, and how difficult it is for Canadians to ship firearms to the USA for repairs and such...without the proper paperwork.
I certainly enjoyed mine while it wasn't broken. I modified mine similar to yours, and it was light to carry and fun to shoot. With the receiver cracking issue, I'm just surprised that people are willing to pay close to retail for them with no warranty, that's all. You can say all you want about "first run" or whatever, but is there literature from Kel Tec identifying which range of serial numbers would fall into the problematic category? Nope...so it's a gamble at best.
This was mine...
Before this happened and turned it into a $700 piece of plastic garbage...
If only AR's were non-restricted, there wouldn't even be a market for a plastic gun like the SU-16.
Warranty absolutely does *NOT* transfer from the original purchaser. And, prior to buying any Kel-Tec product you'd do well to contact Vault with the s/n and request written confirmation that the firearm was, in fact, one that was imported by Vault. If you ever require warranty work, you *ARE* going to be required to go thru all that, so best to go thru it in advance and be assured your gun is one they'll cover.
Huh? I'm talking about those being sold as used, like in the EE. The warranty does not transfer over.
By the way, it doesn't matter if the gun was originally imported by Vault or not. Unless you are the original purchaser, they won't help you in dealing with a firearm that needs to be sent back to Kel Tec for service. You'll be on your own. Ask me how I know...lol.
You're not understanding what I'm saying, so I'll try to say it another way...
Vault will ONLY deal with you if you are the ORIGINAL purchaser.
If you sell the gun to someone else, EVEN if the gun was originally imported by them (i.e. not a "gray" market gun), they consider the warranty, and therefore their responsibility, void. The lifetime warranty only applies to the original owner and is not transferable.
The explanation I was given was that it costs a lot of time and money in red tape to export the gun from Canada back to Kel Tec in Florida, and then to import the new rifle back into Canada. Kel Tec has some sort of arrangement with Vault to cover expenses for the warranty repairs, but nothing for rifles that have already changed hands.
This is the information that I received from Vault in the months that I spent trying to figure out how to get my rifle fixed. Even though I've offered Kel Tec to pay for them to export a new upper to me, they've basically brushed me off.
Do you work for Vault? Or do you have ay other information that's different? If you do, then I'm interested to hear it if it would help fix my rifle.
Glad I read this thread, I was actually considering buying one of these things. Basically the gist of what I see from the explanations so far is:
1) only the original buyer can get warranty and then only if Vault is the importer; and
2) if you buy it used (ie - you are not the original purchaser) then not only do you have no warranty but you can't even pay to get it repaired if it breaks!
If you buy it used then it's disposable for all intents and purposes - use it 'til it breaks and then throw it away. Which means you'd have to be crazy to buy one of these things "used" unless it was darn near free. Even bought "new" from Vault the resale value is going to be zilch unless the buyer is awful gullible, considering the sketchy reliability and that 2nd owner has no warranty and no recourse to repair.
1) only the original buyer can get warranty and then only if Vault is the importer; and
2) if you buy it used (ie - you are not the original purchaser) then not only do you have no warranty but you can't even pay to get it repaired if it breaks!
If you buy it used then it's disposable for all intents and purposes - use it 'til it breaks and then throw it away. Which means you'd have to be crazy to buy one of these things "used" unless it was darn near free. Even bought "new" from Vault the resale value is going to be zilch unless the buyer is awful gullible, considering the sketchy reliability and that 2nd owner has no warranty and no recourse to repair.
I can confirm for you that the warranty does NOT transfer. If there wasn't an issue with firearms and the border, Kel Tec is actually quite willing to fix these rifles even if they are not under warranty. The problem is the US/Canada border, and how difficult it is for Canadians to ship firearms to the USA for repairs and such...without the proper paperwork.
I certainly enjoyed mine while it wasn't broken. I modified mine similar to yours, and it was light to carry and fun to shoot. With the receiver cracking issue, I'm just surprised that people are willing to pay close to retail for them with no warranty, that's all. You can say all you want about "first run" or whatever, but is there literature from Kel Tec identifying which range of serial numbers would fall into the problematic category? Nope...so it's a gamble at best.
This was mine...
Before this happened and turned it into a $700 piece of plastic garbage...
If only AR's were non-restricted, there wouldn't even be a market for a plastic gun like the SU-16.
You still have that former gun? If so I might like to buy it from you, if you're selling.
YOU are not understanding what I'm saying, so I too will try to say it another way...
I don't necessarily disagree with what you've said...but you can be the ORIGINAL, FIRST purchaser of a BRAND-NEW Kel-Tec firearm that was NOT imported by Vault, and in that case you're not getting warranty service from Vault.
So, prior to purchase, best to call Vault w/ the serial number of the NEW gun you're considering and have them confirm -in writing- that it is in fact one imported by them, and that the Kel-Tec warranty will be honored by them.
You won't want to be caught-up in the inevitable mess that will surely ensue once you call them with an issue.
