CZ858 vs VZ58

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So I don't realy understand what the major difference is between the two. I own a CZ 858, and my buddy has the CSA VZ58. He says that his is better and higher quality because my cz is a
"civilian copy" of his rifle. From what I've been reading the vz has some major issues. Why is this? I bought my cz because I read how awesome and reliable it is, what makes it so different from the CSA vz58's?
 
Keep the CZ .
It's an awesome gun , never fails me , and is totally utilitarian .
I don't have a VZ , so I can't compare .
 
the cz is more of a military version than the csa. the cz is basically half of a real vz58. the csa is better finished yes but some of them have had problems like cracked bolts etc. The 858 needs work right out of the box due to the gremlin whereas the csa is built to work. the csa has problems because of poor qc when hardening parts
 
They're both a Vz 58. The CZ 858 is just the civilian name the Czechs gave the rifle so it would be harder for the ignorant anti's to ban it. The CZ 858 is made on new, old stock, surplus parts. The finish is ugly but is very durable. I dragged my CZ 858, In which I always called a Vz 58 despite the CZ 858 name, thought the woods, carried on my back well deep woods trail riding dirt bikes, and the gun took a beating but it shot well, and the finish looked like it didn't even have a scratch on it. There are two known gremlins of the CZ 858. Mine had neither. I have since sold my CZ 858 but have purchased a CSA .223 Vz 58. The finish on the CSA is much nicer but not very durable. There has been lots of complaints such as the firing pin breaking, it not able to feed or extract properly, such and so. Again, mine has had none of those problems although, its only hit the 200 round mark as of yet. Its very accurate. 2.5" - 3" groups where as my 858 was 3" - 4" groups and this is at 100 meters not yards. My CZ 858 has had thousands of rounds though it trouble free only had the end of a shell get ripped off during extraction but I keep a well stocked tool box in my truck and some JB stick weld, the cleaning rod, and a quick tap on the JB stick weld popped the old case out. The CZ 858's groups were also consistent no mater what kind of ammo you gave it. The surplus stuff was closer to 4" well commercial Federal Power Shock SP was closer to 3".

I really miss my Vz 58 (CZ 858) but i'm also really enjoying my CSA .223 Vz 58. Preferably, Id like to have both of them but the CZ 858 is no longer being imported so all we have is the CSA Vz 58. My only complaint about that is the $900 price tag on the CSA vs the $650 price tag on the CZ 858. They both have 5 years of transferable warranty. If someone were to take my old CZ 858 and my current CSA Vz 58 and said, "your going to war, pick one" Id pick the CZ 858 just because I know it works as its had thousands of trouble free rounds though it. The CSA is new with only 200 rounds. With a lot of issue reports floating around and only 200 rounds though the gun, I'm still iffy if there will be any issues with it.
 
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I just got a used CZ858 and fired about 120 rounds through it yesterday with zero issues. Performed amazingly. I purposely waited to find a CZ as I did not want a CSA.
I would never buy one in .223 based on the stories I hear. Firing pins breaking left and right, always in for warranty work..
 
Agreed on the above, 223 is garbage, that's what happens when you screw with a great gun that was designed for a specific calibre (7.62). I've had my 858 for 4 years now with almost 3000 rds thru, and still looks like new inside, very little wear on anything really. Pm broncoo and send your bolt carrier to him, he will weld a tab onto it for $50 and it fixes the gremlin for good if you even get it, I just did t for good measure.
 
My CZ 858 has been nothing but great fun, It had the gremlin for the first 100 or so rounds then it stopped for over a year and half a crate more, but just last week it showed its ugly head again. I am sending the rifle off anyway to get some work done and just asked if they can fix the gremlin while they are at it. Sending it out tomorrow, I am going to be sad to see it go, but excited that I'll no longer have to worry about the gremlin. :)

Overall I have been very happy with my gun, I had it arma-coated, but by the testimony here, that was quite unnecessary. Needless to say the finish has held up very well and it's been used through all types of conditions. Absolutely no experience with the csa rifles, however I have also heard that the .223 models are not all functioning at 100%.

I was also under the impression that there were rest. VZ 58s that were the closest to the real deal, then next closest were the cz 858s, then the csa models.
 
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So I don't realy understand what the major difference is between the two. I own a CZ 858, and my buddy has the CSA VZ58. He says that his is better and higher quality because my cz is a
"civilian copy" of his rifle. From what I've been reading the vz has some major issues. Why is this? I bought my cz because I read how awesome and reliable it is, what makes it so different from the CSA vz58's?
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I dunno where people get to say stupid crap like that because it's the opposite. So it really sucks to be him cause he has the "civilian copy" rifle.

CZ858 are Czech military surplus, CSA are "civilian copy"
 
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So I don't realy understand what the major difference is between the two. I own a CZ 858, and my buddy has the CSA VZ58. He says that his is better and higher quality because my cz is a
"civilian copy" of his rifle. From what I've been reading the vz has some major issues. Why is this? I bought my cz because I read how awesome and reliable it is, what makes it so different from the CSA vz58's?
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lol.

Its more the opposite.
 
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