IPSC Mini-Rifle anyone?

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I am prepping my rig for use abroad, but I wanted to see if it's done in Canada and do a reality check for my setup.

First of all: Does anyone run those matches here?

Second of all: I got a 10/22, gonna get the Archangel 5.56 stock and just run a TRS-25 on it. Is that a sane setup or would there be a significant benefit to upgrading the trigger, barrel (don't want it too heavy) or sights?
 
No one does it here. We don't even have enough matches for real IPSC Rifle...
But that should not stop you from running these matches yourself. :)
 
When you say prepping for use abroad, where are they currently running these matches?
Any vids out there?
 
pauls said:
When you say prepping for use abroad, where are they currently running these matches?
Any vids out there?
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In Chile. At least in the Santiago area, the entire action shooting world consists of IPSC handgun, IPSC shotty and IPSC mini-rifle. That's why I've got a hardon to get my black badge. No other options available. That's all coming from a CGN member who recently moved there. I might not be able to take my T97 down there, but at least I'll be able to run with a Saiga-12 ;) This one is from Argentina but they go down there to compete, too.

 
Cool.
Just looked at the rules.
Looks like all my 22's are currently set up for open division.

Part of me thinks this and airsoft shouldn't be IPSC (i.e. lack of V in DVC) but a bigger part of me loves all shooting so I actually would want to try this out a couple times.
Doesn't hurt that I recently got my hands on a 22lr conversion for an AR.

Dammit, another discipline to get addicted to.
 
pauls said:
Cool.
Just looked at the rules.
Looks like all my 22's are currently set up for open division.

Part of me thinks this and airsoft shouldn't be IPSC (i.e. lack of V in DVC) but a bigger part of me loves all shooting so I actually would want to try this out a couple times.
Doesn't hurt that I recently got my hands on a 22lr conversion for an AR.

Dammit, another discipline to get addicted to.
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As soon as you mount optics, it's open, so I'm betting that everybody and their grandmother competes in open as a reddot is ideal for this type of competition and they're cheap enough. The division is borne out of legislative hurdles in many other countries where guys and gals would like to run and gun with rifles but you can't own an AK, AR or anything like that. It's also a cheap training method, they go BANG and I wouldn't wanna get hit by one-a-dem rounds :cool:
 
Any compensator puts you in open.
In regular IPSC rifle, comps are ok in standard.
Optics is open in both.

My 10/22 is a heavy barrel so no iron sights = open.
The AR is irons, but has a comp = open.

Doesn't really matter though as .22LR is fun and relatively cheap.
Like you said, good training.

This is in my head now.
May have to try and get a match going somewhere.
 
Equipment question: Would a heavy barrel be beneficial in this sort of an event? To me, it looks like a light barrel is just the ticket as the distances are short and you gotta be on the move, but then again, I don't do any action shooting yet, so I might be missing a whole lot.
 
I'd say that's personal preference.
22lr doesn't really have recoil so a heavy barrel likely isn't needed, and a lighter gun will aid in quicker transitions.

But until there are actually matches to attend and competitors to shoot against, run what you brung and have fun.
 
I am not sure there would be much traction around here for Mini Rifle as it's really meant for places where centrefire rifle is not an option. Anyone around here willing to put in the effort to run a rifle match would likely opt to run a regular rifle match.
 
pauls said:
I'd say that's personal preference.
22lr doesn't really have recoil so a heavy barrel likely isn't needed, and a lighter gun will aid in quicker transitions.
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That's what I figured, but with my "immense" level of experience, I'm never sure whether I missed something or not ;) OK, time to wait for a black badge spot to open
 
pauls said:
Cool.
Just looked at the rules.
Looks like all my 22's are currently set up for open division.

Part of me thinks this and airsoft shouldn't be IPSC (i.e. lack of V in DVC) but a bigger part of me loves all shooting so I actually would want to try this out a couple times.
Doesn't hurt that I recently got my hands on a 22lr conversion for an AR.

Dammit, another discipline to get addicted to.
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You better get your safety training for action range at Sharon, so you can actually run your own matches. :)
 
mechanik said:
I am not sure there would be much traction around here for Mini Rifle as it's really meant for places where centrefire rifle is not an option. Anyone around here willing to put in the effort to run a rifle match would likely opt to run a regular rifle match.
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I think there would be a lot of interest: Not everyone wants the hassle or expense of obtaining and training with a centerfire rifle.
 
alpining said:
I think there would be a lot of interest: Not everyone wants the hassle or expense of obtaining and training with a centerfire rifle.
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I can see some circumstances where this is a highly suitable solution..

1) Indoor ranges and small ranges. - If you can't run a full-on rifle CoF and you still wanna have a bit of fun with a long gun, mini's a good option

2) Something fun to do after regular IPSC practice

3) Save a few bucks and feed on the cheap on occasion

The biggest obstacle would be overcoming inertia
 
alpining said:
I think there would be a lot of interest: Not everyone wants the hassle or expense of obtaining and training with a centerfire rifle.
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At your own time you can train using any tools available, including laser and airsoft guns. But there is no reason not to use a real guns for a real practice or at IPSC matches...

TRaTSeRiF said:
I can see some circumstances where this is a highly suitable solution..
1) Indoor ranges and small ranges. - If you can't run a full-on rifle CoF and you still wanna have a bit of fun with a long gun, mini's a good option
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You still need some distance to work with. So, 20m range is too small for rifle regardless and at 50m you can run a real one just fine.

TRaTSeRiF said:
2) Something fun to do after regular IPSC practice...
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Two of my clubs that are running IPSC practice have over 20 shooters each every week. There are simply no time for "fun to do after regular IPSC practice" there...

I've been running occasional IPSC Rifle practices at one of those clubs (50m indoor range) after Handgun squads are done and my intent is to get some Rifle mileage for people who are participating in real competitions, like real IPSC Rifle and Gun matches in US.
 
alpining said:
I think there would be a lot of interest: Not everyone wants the hassle or expense of obtaining and training with a centerfire rifle.
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You are speaking from the shooter's point of view, I'm speaking from the organizer's point of view.

Besides, everyone shooting would need a black badge so they are already familiar with hassle and expense (i.e. Pistols)
 
euxx said:
You still need some distance to work with. So, 20m range is too small for rifle regardless and at 50m you can run a real one just fine.
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Yep. If i'm going to bother setting up a 50 - 100 metre rifle match i may as well do regular rifle.
 
Wrong Way said:
The last three responses are exactly why starting ANYTHING new in this country is a PITA. Too many people afraid of anything new.....
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I'm not afraid of anything. I'm merely explaining why I don't think it will take off. If someone wants to organize these and prove me wrong, I'll be happy to be wrong. I'm not trying to discourage anyone but rather I am trying to set their expectations.

The fact is that of the people that are qualified and able to organize, setup, and officiate an IPSC match, I don't think many are interested in this. There is a lot of effort involved in putting on even the smallest match. All those walls and targets don't magically put themselves up and the match doesn't magically officiate itself. The requirements to make a proper Mini Rifle match are practically the same as for a Rifle match, so it's likely that if someone wants to expend that effort they would devote that energy to a Rifle match, as that's where more interest lies (both in terms of the officials and of existing IPSC shooters).

Most clubs are already busy enough just doing pistol matches, so we don't even really have many shotgun matches, and zero regular rifle matches (although I'm hoping to change that). Everyone running these matches is a volunteer and there is only so much volunteer effort to go around.
 
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