Toughest/most reliable small arm of all time

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While we are all on one of these kicks again, what weapon that was issued to front line troops do you feel was the most able to withstand brutal conditions and rough use? Thinking from the beginning of the breech loading period to current day.

My vote lies with the No1 MkIII SMLE on this one, but what do you guys think? AK? Bren? Mosin? A variant of the 98?
 
Pretty sure you would need more then 1 category. A bolt gun regardless of what it is is infinitely more reliable then semi/select fire.

In terms of raw ruggedness, pretty much anything Russian is going to win out.

AK

Mosin

With a good operator a modern M4 can be just as reliable.

Thread gonna be flame bait for sure.
 
I do believe it would have to be russian....they aint the prettiest but darn it if they don't go bang everytime and they are generally very simply designed...
I believe personally if it had of had a longer career the SKS would have been it(from the simplicity to the built in poker and cleaning kit), but given the facts ..hard to argue about the top spot for most rugged reliable being AK. (I have tears in my eyes cause I will never get to own one)
This is IMHO only ..
I still have more love for a nice Smelly, Mosin or m14 any day ...but it's hard to argue with numbers on the AK
Thanks.
 
Ak47 the people's firearm almost every freedom fighter has used one. A 7 year old can operate it mosin is a top one as well. Have you seen the mosin test on youtube even over loading the bullets did not break it. Plus they dragged it behind a truck. It almost didn't break, it did only because they were going to break it somehow or another
 
I would be inclined to vote mosin. My complaint on enfields is that bolt disassembly requires a special tool and there are a lot more parts than a mosin, or at least a lot more that're easily lost. Even the bands stay on mosin barrels :p
 
While we are all on one of these kicks again, what weapon that was issued to front line troops do you feel was the most able to withstand brutal conditions and rough use? Thinking from the beginning of the breech loading period to current day.

My vote lies with the No1 MkIII SMLE on this one, but what do you guys think? AK? Bren? Mosin? A variant of the 98?

Roman Short Sword. ;) Supposedly killed more people than anything else up to the time of firearms.

Grizz


You mean the breechloading gladius, right?
 
I'd have to say the most reliable rifle ever made is either the Mosin-Nagant, Gew98/Kar98, or any of the Lee-Enfields (the American Springfield rifle is a slightly modded Kar98).

All of those rifles served in WW1 and WW2 in some of the most miserable conditions for men, horses, and firearms ever seen.
 
I'm going to get flamed, but I'd say the SKS. I'm sure that little ba$tard would shoot straight with a replacement tree branch stock if the original failed in the field. Enemy closing in on the tight side of 300m and fix bayonets order given...NP. The other rifles, perhaps the "troopie" lost it?
 
I'd say toss up between Mosin and SKS for reliability due to simplicity in design. Simple, Simple , Simple. Any moron can operate and clean one in the toughest of environments. These would not be my choice for accuracy, although the Mosin might put up a good argument for some.
 
Three images of the SMLE stand out in my head. Soldier wading through waist deep mud with a very muddy stick in his hand, an SMLE. Another was a few soldiers sitting in a trench, their SMLEs sitting on the bank absolutely in recognizably caked in mud. The last, my own Dad beating his hunting knife through the brisket of a bull moose with the butt of a nearly 100 year old Sporterized SMLE because he forgot his bone saw at home. Later it was wiped down and went back into the rack. He always told me not to be too gentle with Grandpas gun, it might not like it!

If I was put in a situation where I needed a reliable rifle to protect my family and myself, where I would not have access to proper cleaning and maintenance equipment, one that I would expect to continue working after being beaten up, dropped, used as a club, filled with mud and rained on steadily, subjected to extreme cold etc its going to be the #### on close, built for all the trenches of WWI could throw at it SMLE. No doubt in my mind that it will always work when I need it, as it has for generations of my family. That rifle helped my Great Grandpa survive frontline duty in WWI, and another Grandfather in WWII. It has filled our freezers for decades and is still a go to rifle in my a Father and my own household. The Lee-Enfield will always hold a special place for me.
 
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