IPSC Mini-Rifle anyone?

I figured a reddoted rimfire rifle would be more appropriate for a 50yd range than centerfire. Can you set up a good CoF for a centerfire rifle on a 50yd range? Of course. However, the CoF can be even more fun for a rimfire rifle running a TRS-25 or a SPARC.

Edit: Just a note. I have a rifle I can shoot regular rifle matches with, but doing it with a rimfire rifle would be a nice change of pace from time to time
 
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Besides cost of ammo, I don't really see any difference in handling of centerfire or rimfire rifle. You can shoot either of them at the same speed.

Oh, and it is not about being afraid to try something new. It is about needing that new. As it is been said, if you want to start it, just do it. Don't listen to anyone. But don't expect other people doing all the work for you.
 
euxx said:
At your own time you can train using any tools available, including laser and airsoft guns. But there is no reason not to use a real guns for a real practice or at IPSC matches...

You still need some distance to work with. So, 20m range is too small for rifle regardless and at 50m you can run a real one just fine.

Two of my clubs that are running IPSC practice have over 20 shooters each every week. There are simply no time for "fun to do after regular IPSC practice" there...

I've been running occasional IPSC Rifle practices at one of those clubs (50m indoor range) after Handgun squads are done and my intent is to get some Rifle mileage for people who are participating in real competitions, like real IPSC Rifle and Gun matches in US.
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Sure, there is one very good reason to not use a "real gun" (as you define it): Not everyone has one or can afford one.

Smaller targets make for a somewhat useful approximation of longer distance. 20m range limits options, but is not impossible to work with.

IMO (since nobody asked :)), if we're interested in growing shooting sports in Canada, then the way to do it is to reduce barriers to participation to get more people in the door. A VERY large barrier is the cost of centerfire rifle shooting. (and centerfire pistol shooting, for that matter)

If we're interested in only meeting the needs of existing shooters in Canada, then we keep doing what we're doing. I know exactly what you mean about clubs and ranges being too busy already with existing IPSC pistol shooting. But I think that's not in the best interests of the future of shooting sports in Canada. Getting volunteers out from the existing participant pool is like pulling teeth sometimes. IPSC/IDPA pistol is not growing in my area, so why should we be so preoccupied with meeting their needs at the expense of bringing new people in?
 
euxx said:
It is about needing that new. As it is been said, if you want to start it, just do it. Don't listen to anyone. But don't expect other people doing all the work for you.
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Couldn't agree more.

BUT, this is merely a hobby for the vast majority of us, so nobody "needs" any of it.
 
alpining said:
Sure, there is one very good reason to not use a "real gun" (as you define it): Not everyone has one or can afford one.

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IMO (since nobody asked :)), if we're interested in growing shooting sports in Canada, then the way to do it is to reduce barriers to participation to get more people in the door. A VERY large barrier is the cost of centerfire rifle shooting. (and centerfire pistol shooting, for that matter)
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Under the current system, you cannot compete in any IPSC match here without having taken the Black Badge course and passing it, which means you must have a centrefire handgun, gear, ammo, etc., as there is only one Black Badge course and it's for IPSC handgun.

If your goal is to allow anyone with a .22 rifle to show up and shoot a match, IPSC is not currently the way to go about it and working within the current framework is not going to help lower the barrier to entry any. Maybe over time the requirements could be changed but right now they are what they are.
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
How would you guys go about lowering the barrier of entry even if it's not through IPSC and keep things safe? Looking for practical suggestions :)
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It depends on how low you want the barrier to be I guess.

Based on what it sounds like you guys want, I think you would have to reduce the possibility of safety issues so as to reduce the training aspect to something more manageable. Eliminate movement, shoot only from one or two positions sort of like how they do in Cowboy Action, not a lot of mags required... That quickly drifts away from IPSC though, so if your goal is to practice IPSC as well, it may be at cross purposes to what you desire.

As soon as you get into running around with loaded guns shooting at arbitrary angles, you really need some kind of safety certification involved, IMO.
 
As far as I know, Canada is he only country that has a Black Badge course as a requirement to shoot IPSC.......maybe it is a requirement that needs to be scrapped. I don't hear of baby kittens dying by the thousands (or IPSC shooters or spectators for that matter) in other countries that shoot IPSC......maybe I am not listening in the right places!
 
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As far as I know, Canada is he only country that has a Black Badge course as a requirement to shoot IPSC.......maybe it is a requirement that needs to be scrapped. I don't hear of baby kittens dying by the thousands (or IPSC shooters or spectators for that matter) in other countries that shoot IPSC......maybe I am not listening in the right places!
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It is not entirely true. Other Countries have requirements for passing special safety courses. medical certification and even special insurance in order to participate into the shooting sports.

On the other hand, we've got an IPSC Canada approval for developing and running long gun only Black Badge program for IPSC. Not it is a matter of getting it going...
 
What's with the reference to "ipsc" approval?
Start your own game.

Stretching poor old ipsc in so many directions... Not good.
There's enough strife with just the handgun aspect.. Adding rifle, shot gun, and now this "mini rifle"?
Holy smokes.. What's next?

Ipsc black powder ?
 
IPSC mini rifle is already there. I downloaded the rulebook off the main site. Starting a new game would be the way to go, but for a different reason - barrier of entry. Black badge is currently handgun only, hard to get into. The downside is that if there are too many games out there, the clubs won't have enough room for the plinkers. BRRC is a good example of that where the prime time of 6 nights a week is taken up by some league or another. I am a regular with the rifle league and will be spending time with the IPSC/PPC crowds, but I can empathize with the plinking crowd, too.
 
I think this sounds pretty interesting. Where would you be trying to organize matches? I bet the lower barrier to entry and wide ownership of .22LR rifles would make this appealing to a lot of people. The biggest problem would definitely be range space. I would totally try and make it out for these matches.
 
BRRC and HAHA would be good venues for it. HAHA has a pistol caliber only action range and BRRC has a bunch of IPSC props and runs IPSC nights regularly including the occasional black gun run (2 in the last 3 days :p)
 
alpining said:
Yes, I'd just borrow the format, and pass on the Black Badge requirements.
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Or make it a one-day course. One possibility would be literally doing it with airsoft guns. That way you can cover the basics without needing to shut down the range. Should require PAL and club membership, plus a probationary shoot with a real gun to get your Pink Badge :cool:
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
I am a regular with the rifle league and will be spending time with the IPSC/PPC crowds, but I can empathize with the plinking crowd, too.
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In that case, why don't you try to convince Skeet, the rifle league director at BRRC to run unsanctioned IPSC Minirifle match?
 
No reason you couldn't do unsanctioned IPSC "type" matches and invite some of your newer members out. We hold a Xmas fun match each year based on IPSC rules where anyone we figure can shoot safely is invited. Always start with a good safety speech! Unsanctioned matches are cool for trying out some targets or creative ideas you wouldn't see in a real match e.g. I made a Styrofoam IPSC target that had to be stabbed by two forks before preceding to your gun.

Most of this stuff is limited by your imagination and willingness to actually organize and make it happen! If your part of a large club you may make your first matches smaller for easier organization.
 
euxx said:
In that case, why don't you try to convince Skeet, the rifle league director at BRRC to run unsanctioned IPSC Minirifle match?
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It's a possibility with a director present.. Otherwise, if you don't have holster cert, no shooting from in front of the ports. Will talk to him first chance I get, assuming I don't forget as I pick his brains on sling fu and some pointers for that black rifle event in QC.
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
Or make it a one-day course. One possibility would be literally doing it with airsoft guns. That way you can cover the basics without needing to shut down the range. Should require PAL and club membership, plus a probationary shoot with a real gun to get your Pink Badge :cool:
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You could, sure. It wouldn't be trivial, even a 1-day course. Plus, nobody else would recognize the course, so it's kind of asking a lot from complete newbies.

You could just run a really tight RO/RSO monitoring procedure during the comp, to stop dangerous situations before they occur. With the right stage design and a quick safety briefing at the start of the comp, it would be pretty straightforward. I've seen it done successfully in 3-gun (no BB reqd), so why not rimfire?
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
It's a possibility with a director present.. Otherwise, if you don't have holster cert, no shooting from in front of the ports. Will talk to him first chance I get, assuming I don't forget as I pick his brains on sling fu and some pointers for that black rifle event in QC.
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Be sure to note that Steel Challenge rimfire pistol has competitors load on the line and starts with the pistol in low ready position. Easy to administer.
 
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