IPSC Mini-Rifle anyone?

alpining said:
You could, sure. It wouldn't be trivial, even a 1-day course. Plus, nobody else would recognize the course, so it's kind of asking a lot from complete newbies.

You could just run a really tight RO/RSO monitoring procedure during the comp, to stop dangerous situations before they occur. With the right stage design and a quick safety briefing at the start of the comp, it would be pretty straightforward. I've seen it done successfully in 3-gun (no BB reqd), so why not rimfire?
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For one, during safety training you do need to perform all the same operations with the same gun you'l be using for real action. So, using BB guns or airsof or rimfire to get certification to allow you to run with an AR it a moot point to me, because gun operation is different (loading, reloading, unloading, cleaning malfunctions, etc...) and people who never done it before do some scary stuff when doing all that on the timer...

For the same reason it is strongly not recommended to use borrowed gun for Black Badge course.
 
Yeah, I dont know where my mind was when I shot my first IPSC Shotgun or Rifle match......those guns are so confusing. I wonder if someone completing the IPSC Rifle BB course would be able to start shooting IPSC Handgun matches? Doubtful!

And how would one ever convert from shooting a Glock on the BB course to shooting a 1911 style handgun.....so many more controls to get confused by.....maybe there should be a new BB course for every different manufacturer of firearms.....just to be safe....you know....those baby kittens won't be safe otherwise!
 
7.62mm said:
Yeah, I dont know where my mind was when I shot my first IPSC Shotgun or Rifle match......those guns are so confusing. I wonder if someone completing the IPSC Rifle BB course would be able to start shooting IPSC Handgun matches? Doubtful!

And how would one ever convert from shooting a Glock on the BB course to shooting a 1911 style handgun.....so many more controls to get confused by.....maybe there should be a new BB course for every different manufacturer of firearms.....just to be safe....you know....those baby kittens won't be safe otherwise!
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Yes plenty of people would be just fine, but think of how many stupidities you have seen with IPSC shooters over the years... and those are people that PASSED both the PAL course and the BB course. No training is foolproof, but just allowing anyone to show up with no experience and run around shooting an IPSC style match is ill advised in my book. You either need to train them so they can handle the situations they will encounter, or restrict the situations they will encounter so you are reasonably confident they can handle them with little to no training.

Even PPC has a safety course, and all they do is stand in one spot and shoot.

I guess we will agree to disagree.
 
mechanik said:
Yes plenty of people would be just fine, but think of how many stupidities you have seen with IPSC shooters over the years... and those are people that PASSED both the PAL course and the BB course. No training is foolproof, but just allowing anyone to show up with no experience and run around shooting an IPSC style match is ill advised in my book. You either need to train them so they can handle the situations they will encounter, or restrict the situations they will encounter so you are reasonably confident they can handle them with little to no training.

Even PPC has a safety course, and all they do is stand in one spot and shoot.

I guess we will agree to disagree.
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I will go ahead and disagree with you. I find the BB course is an unnecessary restriction that is not applicable to many shooters. Granted, a great many people do benefit from that course, but making it a requirement completely discredits any previous skills, experience and abilities that someone may already have.

Having said that, this is all just opinion. Nothing will change...
 
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7.62mm said:
Yeah, I dont know where my mind was when I shot my first IPSC Shotgun or Rifle match......those guns are so confusing. I wonder if someone completing the IPSC Rifle BB course would be able to start shooting IPSC Handgun matches? Doubtful!

And how would one ever convert from shooting a Glock on the BB course to shooting a 1911 style handgun.....so many more controls to get confused by.....maybe there should be a new BB course for every different manufacturer of firearms.....just to be safe....you know....those baby kittens won't be safe otherwise!
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Yada, yada, yada... Craig, you know it very well that whole BB thing is there mostly to protect shooting organization from liability.
 
Thing is... Many folks are of the mind that we need new rules, new courses for EVERYTHING.
When it comes to this shooting stuff...
Whatever became of the four universal rules of gun safety?
As long as these four simple rules are followed it doesn't matter if your gun is drawn from a holster or picked up off a table...

There's nothing in the FA that says you need to pass a course to use a holster.
That said, there's also nothing that says clubs or governing bodies of specific shooting sports aren't allowed to insist on "holster training"
 
Thanks for the useful tips, alpining. I like your points 667. My friends from the other side of the border always get a good laugh at certain courses we're forced to take before we're even allowed to practice certain disciplines. That sort of education can be effectively delivered at club level. Our rifle director might be amenable to throwing an unsanctioned mini rifle event at our club but he's a busy man, so time's a factor. I'll have a yap with him as to what I can do to minimize the amount of work that he has to do.
 
667 said:
Thing is... Many folks are of the mind that we need new rules, new courses for EVERYTHING.
When it comes to this shooting stuff...
Whatever became of the four universal rules of gun safety?
As long as these four simple rules are followed it doesn't matter if your gun is drawn from a holster or picked up off a table...

There's nothing in the FA that says you need to pass a course to use a holster.
That said, there's also nothing that says clubs or governing bodies of specific shooting sports aren't allowed to insist on "holster training"
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as simple as it sounds, at speed and under even a little pressure I see people forget this all the time. Some clubs in the US have at the very least a safety briefing prior to allowing newer competitors to participate. It is better than just letting "experienced" shooters participate without any type of introduction. It is a bad idea to think doing the minimum in regards to safety when it comes to action shooting sports......unlesd you like having a loaded handgun waived at you, see accidental discharges and people getting shot.
 
In 20+ years, I've met enough "experienced" people during the introduction at the black badge that did stupid things or couldn't hit the broad side of a barn during the course.

Until they perfect the bull#### meter; I'm fine with making someone prove to me they are competent before they go running around with a tool that can injure or kill me or my friends. As a corollary: They licence race car drivers to be on the track with each other for the same reason.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
I'm fine with making someone prove to me they are competent before they go running around with a tool that can injure or kill me or my friends. As a corollary: They licence race car drivers to be on the track with each other for the same reason.
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Now THERE'S an idea... IPSC F-1.
That'll put the Celeritas into the game.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
In 20+ years, I've met enough "experienced" people during the introduction at the black badge that did stupid things or couldn't hit the broad side of a barn during the course.

Until they perfect the bull#### meter; I'm fine with making someone prove to me they are competent before they go running around with a tool that can injure or kill me or my friends. As a corollary: They licence race car drivers to be on the track with each other for the same reason.
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Agreed. Though I don't think they will ever perfect the bullshiite meter!

BUT there is room for purpose-building stages to minimize opportunities for newbies to screw up. Like requiring all muzzles to be pointed at the rear berm at all times, shooting positions that require the same, relatively slow movement, and one RO close on each shoulder throughout a newbie's run. Kind of like training wheels.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
In 20+ years, I've met enough "experienced" people during the introduction at the black badge that did stupid things or couldn't hit the broad side of a barn during the course.

Until they perfect the bull#### meter; I'm fine with making someone prove to me they are competent before they go running around with a tool that can injure or kill me or my friends. As a corollary: They licence race car drivers to be on the track with each other for the same reason.
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But you are fine travelling to the US or other international venues where those same conditions dont apply?
 
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