dying to get the M37... ETA?

223762 said:
ok i really want one of these and the most important thing i saw in your post was in the last line stating that "These will be coming". how can you be sure of this? are you confident in saying that?
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What your really missing is that they said they will update people when they have a update. So they have no information to update people with but state " these will be coming ". The only thing that's guaranteed at this point is that people are going to get more and more upset as this goes on.

Hopefully North Sylva will learn from this and not release claims of new firearms available until they actually physically have an FRT number.
 
jwc said:
So what's the update on the M2HB? Last update I've heard was way back when someone said they were in the country but not assembled (no info on whether there was an FRT number or any other details). Look back at your lack of responses in this thread if you wonder where hostility came from. It can't be that hard to post an update every now and then, even if the status is "no change". In the absence of information people start filling in things themselves - and rarely do they guess on the positive side. Right now, for the M2HB's, if I read through the site it sounds like they are in country, not assembled, but due to some ruling on side plates/recievers they will be prohibited. Why not just quickly set the status straight?
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This one is a little more complicated. All receiver pieces will need to be replaced now. I can't comment, as lawyers are getting involved in this issue now. It will come. When, I don't know.
 
North_Sylva said:
This one is a little more complicated. All receiver pieces will need to be replaced now. I can't comment, as lawyers are getting involved in this issue now. It will come. When, I don't know.
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Exactly what we all thought. Our stupid firearms laws deeming them converted auto just because the receiver parts aren't new old stock. Better off just spending your money machining all new side plates left and right, trunion, bottom plate and top than trying to get lawyers involved. Most likely the only outcome from legal action will be current 1919a4 owners having there's re classed prohibited and we will have something even further to be pissed off about.

Fact is you stated you didn't have any updates yet you've now revealed they have been deemed prohibited converted auto.

And if you do get away with making all new receivers then who will be paying the extra cost? Obviously the price for the consumer will be going up from the original price people were given.
 
Well if these guns do end up needing all the parts replaced as mild custom2 said watch the prices go up up up. On a postive note maybe North Sylvas lawyers will be able to hold the RCMP lab accountable for their BS new way of classifying a receiver when they have already set their own precedent with the brownings that have been approved. Maybe they will learn that they cant play God anymore and change their decisions on a whim or from internal RCMP pressure not to let more of these guns into the country. Since when has a trunion EVER been considered part of a firearms receiver?
 
gutinater said:
Well if these guns do end up needing all the parts replaced as mild custom2 said watch the prices go up up up. On a postive note maybe North Sylvas lawyers will be able to hold the RCMP lab accountable for their BS new way of classifying a receiver when they have already set their own precedent with the browning that have been approved. Maybe they will learn that they cant play God anymore and change their decisions on a whim or from internal RCMP pressure not to let more of these guns into the country.
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Or as I said all current M2HB and 1919's in Canada will be deemed prohibited as a result of there legal action and current 1919 owners like myself lose a very expensive firearm. Easier for the boys in Ottawa to backwards than forwards.
 
Yeah for sure that is a possibility but the RCMP could just as easily do this now and reclassify the guns we own based on their rulings on the new guns. They have no problem reclassifying guns prohib after they have already deemed them non restricted/restricted. I wouldnt blame North Sylva for getting lawyers involved, I commend it. The RCMP firearms lab is accountable to nobody.
 
gutinater said:
Yeah for sure that is a possibility but the RCMP could just as easily do this now and reclassify the guns we own based on their rulings on the new guns. They have no problem reclassifying guns prohib after they have already deemed them non restricted/restricted. I wouldnt blame North Sylva for getting lawyers involved, I commend it. The RCMP firearms lab is accountable to nobody.
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The legal action has nothing to do with the RCMP lab. It's another party all together.
 
can't you import it in pieces from the states, and make the right side plate here in canada? the US only considers the right side plate as the "firearm". import a parts kit, make it here in canada.
 
P0WERWAGON said:
can't you import it in pieces from the states, and make the right side plate here in canada? the US only considers the right side plate as the "firearm". import a parts kit, make it here in canada.
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Yes but a home built still has to go for examination and issued an FRT number as per William Etter at the firearms lab. Plus all 5 pieces that make up the receiver must be new not a de milled military one or else it's deemed converted auto prohibited.
 
gutinater said:
WTF since when does a home built have to be sent to the lab??
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Here you go boys, straight from the " man " himself.

Both the TNW and the Valkyrie Arms semi-automatic versions of the Browning M1919A4 firearm are "in service", so your information is false.

What this means is that neither FRT record has been "pulled", neither has had a legal class change and both have been and continue to be available for use. All FRT records are subject to review, improvement and or modification to add specific detail or further explain comments contained in the records. This process does not constitute "pulled" nor does it prevent transactions from taking place such as transfer and registration.

Be aware that should you wish to build your own version of a semi-automatic Browning M1919A4 Machine Gun that each and every example will require be inspection and the following criterion will be applied:

a) - the five sided box consisting of top and bottom plates, left and right side plates and the front trunnion block is the receiver/frame for all purposes of the Criminal Code, Section 2 definition of "firearm"; and,

b) - the classification of this firearm as a semi automatic firearm is based on the presumption that none of the original five (5) receiver components were reused. This is what RCMP - SFSS understood to be the meaning of the claim by the manufacturer that the firearm is a "newly manufactured as a semi-automatic firearm".

c) - when the start point is a full automatic firearm and the component of the receiver/frame with the manufacturer information and serial number stamped or inscribed upon it is a purpose-built "semi-automatic" component and any of the remaining portions of the original five (5) receiver components of the full automatic receiver/frame is incorporated into the firearm, the resulting firearm is a "converted automatic" firearm.
d) - the Criminal Code PART III, Section 84 para (c) definition - prohibited firearm means, "an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger".
Hope this helps.

William Etter

William (Bill) Etter
Chief Firearms Technologist
Specialized Firearms Support Services
Firearms Investigative & Enforcement Services Directorate
RCMP - CFP
Specialized Policing Services
 
mildcustom2 said:
Here you go boys, straight from the " man " himself.


c) - when the start point is a full automatic firearm and the component of the receiver/frame with the manufacturer information and serial number stamped or inscribed upon it is a purpose-built "semi-automatic" component and any of the remaining portions of the original five (5) receiver components of the full automatic receiver/frame is incorporated into the firearm, the resulting firearm is a "converted automatic" firearm.
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by that BS logic, if i take an M16 parts kits and put it on my AR15 lower, i'd need a new upper "receiver" too.
 
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