How much to lead a running whitetail deer?
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The only thing I've learned from this thread is that the OP is in Ontario and we'll likely never cross paths hunting. I like learning.
Indeed. This is the most valuable piece of info in the thread.
This thread reminds me of the people who go to bars and stay until the end of the night just to be a big man.
The worst part of this is, it's the internet. It's not even a true measure, it's just about trash talking.
Considering how the OP explained later , he is just playing with us, this is considered human manipulation and comes from a narcissistic mentality. Typically this is a mental health issue that causes people to "play" (also called lie) with other humans like this. See the obvious sense of superiority? Yikes, that's very pathological when it comes from him lying to create this feeling.
It's a waste of all of our times.
We got played.
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Nah... The only one who wasted their time was the op... We all have different opinions and comfort levels and we expressed that... As long as we don't look down on eachother for methods and styles (saw little in this thread) we all learned... Op can do what he wants... At the end of the day, he gave little insight (read no insight) into his beliefs and styles so imop the only loser in this thread is him....
There will always be a few... Lol..
Geez Brad, you should stop posting in this thread, I bet some people wish this thread would get buried so that less people will be aware of it.
Obviously when someone's behavior gets negative attention, the right thing to do is be accountable , and try to grow on the experience.
It's just so so difficult for person's with narcissistic personalities to make that admission.
Even after the right thing to do is clearly pointed out. It's ego related and considered a persistent trait.
I'm done posting on this, I was just stunned to see our community getting "played"(someone's own admission of intent) so bad. On the whole we as a community have pretty good health, so that's unusual.
I work all day with these type of health issues that people have, and it's neat to see this play out in the public setting. Its where these individuals can "be themselves".
Thanks for playing? -------------You're welcome.
Obviously when someone's behavior gets negative attention, the right thing to do is be accountable , and try to grow on the experience.
It's just so so difficult for person's with narcissistic personalities to make that admission.
Even after the right thing to do is clearly pointed out. It's ego related and considered a persistent trait.
I'm done posting on this, I was just stunned to see our community getting "played"(someone's own admission of intent) so bad. On the whole we as a community have pretty good health, so that's unusual.
I work all day with these type of health issues that people have, and it's neat to see this play out in the public setting. Its where these individuals can "be themselves".
Thanks for playing? -------------You're welcome.
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- Stuck in the middle with you.
If you have to ask that question, then you obviously don't have the experience to shoot at a moving target.
Catch-22.
I have other 25 years hunting, and I do not take running shots. Period. Others might be better marksmen, and if they are that good at it that they can make a clean, one-shot kill on a running target, then more power to them. I'm not that guy, and very few are.
**Edit..(After back-tracking and reading more posts in this long thread.)**
No-one got played here, the only one playing is the "Bad-Ass Mo-Fo" that made the OP. It was a stupid and irresponsible question, and he tried to cover up his embarrassment by claiming he knew the answers, which, by his responses, he did not, as he doesn't understand j@cksh*t about shooting.
The only one playing is the OP playing with himself in some weird form of digital masturbation.
So he's either a dumbazz or a troll, you decide, CGN.
Glad I left Ontario for BC if there's guys like that still in the woods with guns. :
Catch-22.
I have other 25 years hunting, and I do not take running shots. Period. Others might be better marksmen, and if they are that good at it that they can make a clean, one-shot kill on a running target, then more power to them. I'm not that guy, and very few are.
**Edit..(After back-tracking and reading more posts in this long thread.)**
No-one got played here, the only one playing is the "Bad-Ass Mo-Fo" that made the OP. It was a stupid and irresponsible question, and he tried to cover up his embarrassment by claiming he knew the answers, which, by his responses, he did not, as he doesn't understand j@cksh*t about shooting.
The only one playing is the OP playing with himself in some weird form of digital masturbation.
So he's either a dumbazz or a troll, you decide, CGN.
Glad I left Ontario for BC if there's guys like that still in the woods with guns. :
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The original intent of this thread was not to "play" anyone. I asked this same question a couple years ago and just as it did this time - it turned quickly into accusations and a useless discussion of ethics which was never intended to be brought into the discussion. Perhaps I should have added a disclaimer in the original post to leave those comments off the table - not that anyone would listen anyway. The conversation was simply intended to discuss lead - not whether or not anyone "should" shoot at moving deer. Nobody on CGN will influence how any hunter decides to act in the field regardless of how enthusiastic you may collectively be about making your point on the internet.
The question is simple enough and so is the solution, but after the derailing of this thread there is no point discussing it further. It cannot possibly become constructive.
The question is simple enough and so is the solution, but after the derailing of this thread there is no point discussing it further. It cannot possibly become constructive.
I would still like to hear your theory on lead, especially since you told us we don't know what the #### we're doing. Saying it's simple but the thread got derailed (IMO you derailed it your own self) is still a cop out. Speak up or forever be known as the guy who doesn't know how to shoot a deer...
The question is not at all simple. Due to variations in distances, speeds, and angles , as well as varying muzzle velocities, no correct answer can be given. As such, the question serves no practical purpose , and is nothing more than a waste of the readers time.
Exactly, I assure you the lead required for my 308 is quite different from that needed for my 257 Weatherby. But I've killed moving deer with both, and the muzzleloader too. Done it on the ground and from a tree with deer moving at all different sorts of angles and translating experience and practise into something you can explain to a newcomer is very difficult. Maybe the OP would have had better luck with his question if he hadn't ALLEDGEDLY (I still have doubts) pretended to be a newcomer and gotten newcomer advice.
LOTS of people have tried to tell you that the question is NOT simple. There are so many variables that the question (although the calculation is theoretically possible if you have numbers for all those variables) is impossible to answer in any practical way. This thread is not constructive because YOU don't seem to understand that fact. In truth, your insistence that "The question is simple enough and so is the solution" proves your inexperience and complete failure to understand the physics of shooting, and the complexity of shooting at moving targets. You are making yourself look foolish every time you persist in your righteous outrage at our inability to understand your motives and your "expertise". The fact that your own posts contradict themselves proves to everyone you are making it up as you go. Your credibility is further destroyed with every new post.
I changed it for you to illustrate how you appear to everyone here who is trying to show you the truth about this question. You need to Google the meaning of the psychological term "Projection". You need to grow up.
I guess I should clear the air before a few of you completely stroke out, I was actually trolling a bit with this post as I wanted to paint a grim picture of what shooting at running deer is like from what I have seen, which is ironic since we now know the thread started out as a trolling thread.
My last deer I shot on the run was 10 years ago, I broke its spine which proved to me that shooting at a running deer is a fools game, haven't done it since, when hunting on my own.
However, I hunt with a number of different groups for deer/moose with hunters of various shooting abilities. Whether they make questional shots or its buck fever, there are usually a few bad shots. I have seen a few wounded animals and because I can track quietly and I am a good shot I usually do a lot of the followup finish work or drives to chase the wounded animal back. When I am trying to finish off a wounded animal the gloves are off in my mind. If I get a safe shot I take it to put it down. When you flush a wounded animal from its bed they usually don't stick around and give you a perfect broadside shot so running shots are the norm. More often then not, if I see the animal I can hit it well enough to put it down for a proper finisher, its not always pretty but it gets the job done.
Before the holier than thoes show up, no I don't make all my hunting partners take a shooting test before the hunt. The worst shots are usually friends of friends, or a young hunter that made a bad shot which I am gulity of as well in my youth and my uncle helped me out like I do now.
