How the Chinese army shooting teams do mag changes with the QBZ 95 (T97)

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Sorry this is a repost, I posted this earlier this year, but interesting nonetheless now that more people are talking about this platform.
Watch these guys train with the QZB 95 (kinda T97), they do NOT try to do mag changes as if they are running the M4\AR platform.

I do think the safety location improvement of the QBZ95-1 is much better than the QBZ95 (i.e. your current civi T97 version), hence I presume their current competition teams would no longer do the Israeli carry (or running) safety thing anymore with the QBZ95-1 version. Which is the reason why I would wait for someday a civi version QBZ95-1 being available before I am interested in this platform.
But the mag change method itself, I think they are doing it just fine. Seriously when you are doing a mag change you are not shooting, so using strong hand is no big deal IMHO.

 
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True.. You can get pretty good speed with a bit of practice and it's the only practical way to do it in a prone position. The problem is that many of the naysayers think that if you have to do anything differently than you would on an AR, the rifle's crap. This rifle is different, but still, very effective.
 
The reason most like using the weak side hand for mag changes is in order to keep your firearm on target while changing. Plus keep in mind they have a RFB/ Steyr Aug style mag release at the back of the magwell on their rifles. They don't have the AR style button we have.

Interesting to see mag changes done with the right hand. But.. I think I'll stick to reaching over with the left or wait for an ambi mag release.
 
We need a video of fat Canadian soldiers doing this type of stuff for comparison with our C7's :D

Also don't forget, the mag release on the original T97 is a lever behind the mag like a Kalashnikov etc. It is not the same as our current civilian version with the painful little jagged button on the right side. It makes much more sense.

Still these guys are pretty damned impressive with their speed and movement. Scary....
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
True.. You can get pretty good speed with a bit of practice and it's the only practical way to do it in a prone position. The problem is that many of the naysayers think that if you have to do anything differently than you would on an AR, the rifle's crap. This rifle is different, but still, very effective.
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What about them charging the gun just before engaging a target?
Is that because the safety is so useless that they don't bother trying?

As for mag changes, what happens when you've already used the rightmost mag on your chest? It looks like it would be awkward to grab anything from the left side of a chest or belt rig using your right hand.

You guys may like your new toy, and I think that's great, but it does not look like a rifle I want to use in a fight.

I'm saying nay because it may be effective in the sense that it shoots bullets, but it is less effective than a lot of other guns because it is less efficient.
 
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You guys may like your new toy, and I think that's great, but it does not look like a rifle I want to use in a fight.
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Don't fool yourself.....like every other rifle civilians have access to in Canada, it's a sporting rifle, not a battle rifle - they're all toys.
 
Leibermuster said:
Nope........Try German, that is where most Camos really got started from....American "Woodland variations" were found in Germany in 45 by the allies...
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Can't go wrong with some "Liebermuster" camo! ;)

Though I'm more of a Sumpfmuster 44 and "dot" 44 kinda guy myself...

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... think, Swiss "Alpenflange"...
 
metcalfe said:
What about them charging the gun just before engaging a target?
Is that because the safety is so useless that they don't bother trying?

As for mag changes, what happens when you've already used the rightmost mag on your chest? It looks like it would be awkward to grab anything from the left side of a chest or belt rig using your right hand.

You guys may like your new toy, and I think that's great, but it does not look like a rifle I want to use in a fight.

I'm saying nay because it may be effective in the sense that it shoots bullets, but it is less effective than a lot of other guns because it is less efficient.
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Please explain me how. I only see advantage to the bullpup design compared to the classic AR plateform. With a bullpup you can get a longer barrel for the same overall lengh of a M4 because of the chamber beign behind. Reloading is quicker: take the mag, knock the mag release with it and insert the mag. With an AR plateform you have to release first, then grab your mag, then insert it so it's an extra move you are making. Bullpup are also much easier to handle in the standing position because most of the gun weight are inside your shoulder. I still understand your point because I find it akward myself to use because the trigger is in front of the mag, but this me who is having a problem not the rifle.
 
i think it should also be noted that they are using the 6.3?chicomm versions instead of the 5.56NATO versions that we have and the mags and magwell seem to be shaped a little different making it easier to insert and pull out, i find the mag well tends to hold onto the mage when i try and let mine drop free, although that may just be that mine has a tighter magwell
 
This is all moot because obviously the versions they use are different. THe caliber and mags are different, the mag release is different, the magwell may be different.

So really, we can only make so much of a comparison.

Also realize, that these chinese soldiers are getting what is GIVEN to them. Just like our army and our lovely elcans and barrel trimounts. We love those things don't we? And the rest of the world plus our own soldiers laugh about how hokey they are, while making do as best they can. These guys are having to figure out how to use what they are given and what is the best way to go about doing it. As you can see, they have developed some rather fast methods that *gasp* aren't "Western." It's not like these soldiers had a say in weapons development or any such thing, I'm pretty sure many of them think about the same shortcomings that we have, but being a soldier in a supply chain run by men who have never shot a gun in their life, they ahve to adapt new techniques to what they have and practice with it. From what I see they are doing just fine.

Show me some video's of a FAMAS, SA80 or AUG doing mag changes as fast as these guys. I bet its probably about the same, only discernable by internet commando's nitpicking thousandths of a second on gun boards.
 
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