How the Chinese army shooting teams do mag changes with the QBZ 95 (T97)

Doing a strong hand mag change is not really a huge deal. Each and everyone of those guys lowers their heads and looks down at what their doing, that to me is more of an issue. If you cant fluidly do a mag change while looking down range your doctrine needs to change. Also remember commies don't exactly design rifles they way our current trends are. Things like "Modularity" "customizable" "ergonomics" and "fluid manual of arms" aren't top priority. Something that can be mass produced as cheap as possible with available home grown materials and goes bang every time conscript 008457 pulls the trigger is the fundamentals of red rifle building.
 
adriel said:
Interesting how close to the carry handle they're putting their faces. They're about 1/2" away from the peep sights.
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That's not any different that traditional shooting taught in the western world on various platforms incl AR 15 variant wpns. In fact, there is the saying of 'keeping the nose on the charging handle' in the case of ARs.
 
RobertBarrie said:
Doing a strong hand mag change is not really a huge deal. Each and everyone of those guys lowers their heads and looks down at what their doing, that to me is more of an issue. If you cant fluidly do a mag change while looking down range your doctrine needs to change. Also remember commies don't exactly design rifles they way our current trends are. Things like "Modularity" "customizable" "ergonomics" and "fluid manual of arms" aren't top priority. Something that can be mass produced as cheap as possible with available home grown materials and goes bang every time conscript 008457 pulls the trigger is the fundamentals of red rifle building.
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They're probably already working on a version 3 that catches up on more items, but you're right in what they need. Compact, reliable, robust weapon that works.
 
metcalfe said:
On top of that, you figure it is wise for soldiers to learn to fight with unloaded guns? Your opinion is yours. You are welcome to own it, but please, don't waste your time trying to convince me of anything. I will not be learning anything from you.
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It's actually a common ROE for a lot of Armies including our own to NOT have a chambered round sometimes even on patrol depending on theater of war.
Amber status. So pratice with a rack works better. It raised a stir as our troops(not sure if all) were on patrol in Afganistan like that.

Now I believe this was applied to CF only in vehicle patrols and not on foot, however it was left for field commanders as I dont recall any direction from ISAF
 
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Last level three shoot, this fat bloke lost his pants running from the 400m to the 300m.
Running off the 200m berm, I tripped and did a head over heels summersault.
:rolleyes:

None of this affected my shooting ability, but it sure messed up my time and kept the rest of the range entertained for a bit.
Just goes to show us fluffy folk are built for recoil.:p

After seeing that video of the Peoples Liquidation Army team shooting, next time I shoot I want incorporate one of those toys the kids stand on and spin on, into a timed shoot.
http://http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/everlast-everlast-twist-board-ef7635gy-grey-ef7635gy/10261327.aspx

What could go wrong???
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The PLA rifle team needs to be pounded into the ground like a tent peg.

But that would require them to attend an international comp.

In my opinion if it takes longer than .5 seconds to get the safety off and fire a round into a target at 5 m the weapon is flawed. It will take longer than that to rack the action and get the shot off so guess what I think?
 
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They sure are fast with what theyre given to work with. You wont be doing any better with the T97 we have thats for darn sure. The truth of the matter has already been covered here. The gun in the videos is not the gun in my hands. I fully believe a rock and lock system would be better than our NSR push button system. But thats not what we were given and, since this gun isnt being used in battle, it really doesnt matter ONE bit.

As for fast mag changes with a bull pup... get a Tavor. You can do a Tavor mag change as fast as an AR if you practice. Same style mag though... so its a fair comparison.
 
They are like OD converse sneakers. They all get them and they are cheap and plentiful in china, many wear them when not "On duty," for comfort and ease of use.

I've seen old ladies huddled in circles in remote villages sewing them with what looked like sewing machines from a century ago.

Should have picked up a pair for laughs.

Maybe I'll import them and sell them as tactical Type 97 sneakers. Guaranteed to increase your mag change times by up to 40% more reloading powuh!

silverfoxdj said:
:) :) lol
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I think they agree with you w.r.t. safety location (as do I), hence the newer qbz95-1 design.

Btw, I don't think these guys are at the national level, more like a certain local district.

Gunnerlove said:
The PLA rifle team needs to be pounded into the ground like a tent peg.

But that would require them to attend an international comp.

In my opinion if it takes longer than .5 seconds to get the safety off and fire a round into a target at 5 m the weapon is flawed. It will take longer than that to rack the action and get the shot off so guess what I think?
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Gunnerlove said:
The PLA rifle team needs to be pounded into the ground like a tent peg.

But that would require them to attend an international comp.

In my opinion if it takes longer than .5 seconds to get the safety off and fire a round into a target at 5 m the weapon is flawed. It will take longer than that to rack the action and get the shot off so guess what I think?
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Their SF team did quite well at a recent competition in a multi-national SF/SOF event.
 
223762 said:
wow impressive. i cant believe it can be done that fast with the mag release the way it is.
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You've just gotta wrap your thumb around, tap that mag release. 4/5 times that magwell will totally EFF up your mag change though. Imagine how much faster (or consistent i should say) the mag change would be with an improved mag well and mag release.
 
Gunnerlove said:
The PLA rifle team needs to be pounded into the ground like a tent peg.

But that would require them to attend an international comp.

In my opinion if it takes longer than .5 seconds to get the safety off and fire a round into a target at 5 m the weapon is flawed. It will take longer than that to rack the action and get the shot off so guess what I think?
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The PLA participated in both the service rifle and sniper comp at ASAAM in 2013. Ask the Vandoos about it. They were there.

Here is the SR result:

http://www.army.gov.au/Army-life/Sp...a/Files/AASAM/AASAM 2013 Intl Results V10.pdf

They are not bad at all. Looks like their top Cpl outshot our top guy in the 400m matches. Looks like an average team.

eng.mod.gov.cn/DefenseNews/2013-06/19/content_4455876.htm
 
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Canada beat them in pretty much every team match.
Imagine if we sent a team selected from our best individual marksmen instead of the winners of soldiers cup.
 
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looks like the Indonesians, the Malaysians and the Philippinos were the top teams. The Chinese only got 1 or 2 good rifle shooters. The us army is a complete disaster. Lol
 
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