Moose Down - 778m
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Actually that's not true, i've seen threads on this site as you've described with just as many 'experts' chiming in about the 'ethics' of taking a long shot.
For future reference, any hunting story that is being posted should include the following:
- hiking up a mountain (possibly bare naked).
- sneaking up within 10ft of your prey.
- a perfectly placed shot directly through all 4 chambers of the heart.
- and perhaps a kill-dance afterwards that helps the animal's soul pass into the spirit world.
Chuckbuster
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I don't know, as I wasn't there in either situation. However did the OPs moose expire from the shot after thrashing a bit, or did it drown in the 3 feet of water? Given the amount of time it would have taken to reach the moose, it would have been well and truly dead in either case. Having it drown would not be an ethical outcome. But, in any event, I'm not a fan of sniping at game animals. Any hit is a good hit in military sniping, but that principle is not applicable to hunting.
arcticcathonda
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- Southern Alberta
This is what I have been trying to get across.
But I think I have the issue solved for the ethics police, here is what we do:
When you take you hunter Ed course, they take you to do a practical in field test.
Sacrificial goats tied to stakes from 10 yards and then 100 to 1500 yards in 100 yard increments.
They sit you down and give you 16 bullets as you work near to far. As soon as you miss one, you are over and that is your huntable limit printed on your hunting card! Of course you could try and re-qualify yearly! Now to just figure out how to police it.....
Actually it appears as though CGN has a worthy set of volunteers above! Who shall be their Chief?!
haha. That's pretty good.
Bow hunter , 50 yards and under = elitist.
BP/muzzle loader , 50-150 yards = traditionalist.
Rifle , 150-350 = regular hunter
precision/long range 350 + = Irresponsible
That sounds about right for the CGN crowd don't it??
You're missing the point. There are no set distances. It's regarding ethics of the kill. There are those who say they won't shoot past a certain distance because they KNOW they can't do it accurately. They learn this and understand it from testing. Good on them.
IMO, it's the thought of a long kill that's pushing people to go well beyond their skill level or conditions. As mentioned, there are guys who call and shoot 5" at 1000yards. This guy was multiple feet off at 850yards. Those of us who shoot long range know that is not a good shot.
For those skilled and know they can make the shot would be ok with their distance knowing it will be a one shot, one kill.
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The point is. Let the guy hunt!!!!!
AND my point is that a short range miss seems to be more acceptable than a long range miss.
IS it more ethical to wound at 25 yards than 900?
AND my point is that a short range miss seems to be more acceptable than a long range miss.
IS it more ethical to wound at 25 yards than 900?
Chuckbuster
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
To answer your question, wounding is not good; no matter the range. However, stuff happens and animals are wounded at any range we care to mention. But, from an ethical standpoint, if it does happen, we are obligated to find and dispatch the animal as quickly and humanely as possible. Finding an animal that was wounded a short distance away is going to be much more feasible than trying to find the exact spot the animal was hit 900 yards away, and then begin following it up from there.
Sorry to break it to you, but our point went off the deep end and didn't come back.
A wounded animal, no matter the distance tells me that all of the variables weren't properly evaluated before taking the shot.
I am going to have to agree with this comment 100%. I would'nt shoot an animal at a distance where my first two shots were not cleanly placed. If you can't hit the vitals on your first shot, then why are you taking it? Wind, and many other factors can effect a shot at much shorter distances, but lets say that animal were to run off after that first shot? How long would it have taken you to get to where the animal was shot, let alone track it? It would be a hell of alot shorter period of time from 200 yards without a lake in the way. An illadvised kill that relied somewhat on skill (no denying that), but far too much on luck. That's just my $0.02.
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- Beaverlodge, Alberta
To the OP, congrats on your first one at long range. I know I would have missed even if I had the skills to hit at that distance, my heart would been pumping some hard!
I think you did a number of things right, I commend you on your caliber choice. So many guys think the need a 300mag to hunt in the woods. On the flip side I am of the opinion that a 30/30 has wounded more animals than any other rifle in existence. You used the right tools for the job and I bet you learned a ton. Also I do believe that subsistence hunting should be cut a bit of slack. My Dad can't eat domestic animals, there is something in the meat that makes his joints seize. We hunt to fill his freezer. Our shots are usually at close range, under 100m. Things can happen fast when you are out there. It's how you react to the errors or things just plain going wrong that seperates the men from the boys. I've only hunted off and on over the last ten years and have wounded an animal before. Too hard of bullet at close range. No expansion resulted in a long morning, but the animal was put down ASAP and I learned from it and changed out my tool for a couple each more suited to their given job. We humans are no different than any other predator, you adapt and hopefully get better at it. I'll guarantee you the OP is more excited and determined than he ever was before this to make that 800m one shot kill now! He'll be much more sure of his and his equipment a ability next time.
Jerry, randomly dropped milk jugs is my favorite game! It's making me fat though, gotta keep a supply of jugs up
I think you did a number of things right, I commend you on your caliber choice. So many guys think the need a 300mag to hunt in the woods. On the flip side I am of the opinion that a 30/30 has wounded more animals than any other rifle in existence. You used the right tools for the job and I bet you learned a ton. Also I do believe that subsistence hunting should be cut a bit of slack. My Dad can't eat domestic animals, there is something in the meat that makes his joints seize. We hunt to fill his freezer. Our shots are usually at close range, under 100m. Things can happen fast when you are out there. It's how you react to the errors or things just plain going wrong that seperates the men from the boys. I've only hunted off and on over the last ten years and have wounded an animal before. Too hard of bullet at close range. No expansion resulted in a long morning, but the animal was put down ASAP and I learned from it and changed out my tool for a couple each more suited to their given job. We humans are no different than any other predator, you adapt and hopefully get better at it. I'll guarantee you the OP is more excited and determined than he ever was before this to make that 800m one shot kill now! He'll be much more sure of his and his equipment a ability next time.
Jerry, randomly dropped milk jugs is my favorite game! It's making me fat though, gotta keep a supply of jugs up
"...absolutely no qualms about the ethics of my long range hunting..." You need to learn more about ethics and practice at longer distances if you're going to keep torturing Bullwinkle like that. Two clear misses and a lucky third isn't anything to brag about.
Mauser GDog
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OP, your post is in violation of OPSEC for Seal Team 6 hunts...
Seriously though, we want to see your rifle! Oh wait, OPSEC...
If this is all for real though, it sounds like you have the same confidence in taking the 800m shot as the rest of us have taking the 100m shot from standing position with a pounding heart and a lingering hangover...
Seriously though, we want to see your rifle! Oh wait, OPSEC...
If this is all for real though, it sounds like you have the same confidence in taking the 800m shot as the rest of us have taking the 100m shot from standing position with a pounding heart and a lingering hangover...
You nailed it with your comparison.OP, your post is in violation of OPSEC for Seal Team 6 hunts...
Seriously though, we want to see your rifle! Oh wait, OPSEC...
If this is all for real though, it sounds like you have the same confidence in taking the 800m shot as the rest of us have taking the 100m shot from standing position with a pounding heart and a lingering hangover...
If you were a real sniper on a real mission, you would have failed and if not killed, ridiculed. More practice on paper soldier, your not ready for field work.
Like really, not taking into account the targets moments in relation to wind direction? Hitting 10" high on #1, 4 feet low on #2 and getting lucky on #3. Lol. Don't sound too skilled to me, certainly not enough for shots like this. If this were the milk jug game you'd probably be going home with no ammo and all your jugs intact. This was not a brag worthy hunt. You might eventually get lucky firing from the hip too, would it be worthy to mention a 2045th shot kill at 100m?
Like really, not taking into account the targets moments in relation to wind direction? Hitting 10" high on #1, 4 feet low on #2 and getting lucky on #3. Lol. Don't sound too skilled to me, certainly not enough for shots like this. If this were the milk jug game you'd probably be going home with no ammo and all your jugs intact. This was not a brag worthy hunt. You might eventually get lucky firing from the hip too, would it be worthy to mention a 2045th shot kill at 100m?
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- Prince Albert, Sk
Well, I feel for the OP and the ridicule he is getting here.
I think there is a particular group of CGN members that have taken up residence somewhere in Rome and are setting up the hostile take over of the Vatican to over throw the Pope and the Cardinals since they are holier than thou so they might as well take the job.
The upside, papal representation of the shooting sports!
I think there is a particular group of CGN members that have taken up residence somewhere in Rome and are setting up the hostile take over of the Vatican to over throw the Pope and the Cardinals since they are holier than thou so they might as well take the job.
The upside, papal representation of the shooting sports!
I agree. This thread is why many choose not to post
honestly about their experience. The OP isn't a devil and his
detractors are no angels. It's easy to superior online. My experience
with the humans I have known tells me the OP is being held to
to a standard many critical of him don't meet either.
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