Is 25 yards seriously that long a distance? Not trying to sound like I know it all, I know nothing but I feel like I wouldn't really be having fun at 5 yards. The POI would be point of aim.
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Is 25 yards seriously that long a distance? Not trying to sound like I know it all, I know nothing but I feel like I wouldn't really be having fun at 5 yards. The POI would be point of aim.
If the image is unclear just google (pistol correction chart) it can help, although it was designed for slow bullsey shooting one handed its another tool in the box. If you print it out as a target and shoot away..it can remind you while your training to concentrate on the little things that generally make a BIG difference..
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Huh?
Please clarify what you mean by this.
I have the same feeling, before I get match sights on this pistol/trigger job or optical sights on my rifles I want to master the good old Irons so that if I ever find myself without the gizmos I won't be SOL.
Anyway range report. How am I doing?
I have pumped about 2400 rounds through this G17 Gen 4 since I got it on a handful of range trips. All shooting done at 25 yards.
This isn't the only target I used. I actually had about 15 sheets by the end of last night but this one felt like the most accurate representation of my general marksmanship over all the other targets. At least out of 30 shots on each target I usually get 25/30, by the end of the night I was getting all shots at least ON the paper.
How am I doing?
Somehow you hit bulls-eye's with 9mm at 25m, but shoot a .22 sporadically. I think I should be asking you for tips.
I think it's great that you want to learn how to shoot a stock gun before upgrading. The reason we start a 3-5m is so that we can see exactly what we are doing. If you are hitting the same 9mm hole at 5m, then yes, take a few steps back. I apologize for doubting you, but I doubt you will be hitting poa right away.
For 3-7 yards, I use one target called dot torture and another called shift gears.
'dot-torture' is 10 2" targets with drill instruction to add to the challenge if you like.
'shift-gears' has 16 targets varying in size from 25mm-10mm. If you can hit the 10mm target perfectly, then step back until you can't.
Google both target names, and you should find a wealth of info along with them.
My comment about one-handed manipulation was pre-mature for someone learning to shoot accurately.
I'm not going to give instruction on it over the internet and have someone come back tomorrow telling us that my advice is stupid and that it didn't work because they have a bullet hole in their leg.
Just as someone with a new rifle would be wise to slowly methodically walk it out and stretch its legs when learning it...same thing should apply with a pistol 5-10-15-25yds ..
I would personally never slap a scope on a newer rifle and try and sight it in at 200yrds out of the box...I would start at fifty and go from there. Without having to burn through so much ammo to learn about myself and the gun, I feel it should be the same principal with a handgun!
This of course is just imho
Happy shootin
I hate putting it this way but I'm currently one of the top shooters in the country when it comes to pistol stuff (Production division, the only real division hahahaha) and one of the busiest instructors in the country. I spend the vast majority of my shooting time at 10yds and under. I still shoot a ton out to 25 and even further on days I want to push it. But I know that if I can group 2 inches at 10yds, at a decent pace, that I can nail A zones at 25 without any issue. Practicing closer means less walking, more movement (which is what I work on the most these days) and gives me quicker feedback about what I'm doing. Shooting at 25yds when you have no idea what you are doing is a complete waste of time (as is that instructional target posted above really), and it's a waste of your money. If you can't group at 5yds, you won't be able to at 25.
Are you talking about my target or that pistol chart?
Well I'm heading out to the range, be back in 4 hours. I'll get 10 yards a try, report back soon.
While that's happening. I'm sure if I dug enough I could find this but what about the service life of Glock Parts? As I seem to be shooting no less then 500 rounds a trip the round count is adding up real fast. I'll be at 3k after this range trip.
I hear about people not replacing a single thing for 15k+, stress tests to 45k, but what should be replaced?
I've heard recoil springs (is this the dual captive recoil spring assembly?) and something with the word trigger and spring? Trigger spring? All at 5k rounds is the norm?
I don't mind beating on the pistol, I'm not the type that wants it to last a million years so I'll be changing parts before their recommended lifes up but at the same time I don't want to severely neglect it.
So what should I envision replacing on the horizon?
You can't "over change" parts, but the recoil spring at 5k is a good start. I've personally never changed anything else on my Glocks and one sits at 43K rounds. I do replace recoil springs and I have replaced one trigger spring. Monitor your parts and pieces when cleaning, if it looks fractured or broken then replace it.
TDC
I guess it's kinda like a car, you can't "over change" oil. I figured. I just didn't want to get the habit of changing this when I didn't need too.
The recoil spring is indeed that third piece that sits under the barrel that pops out very easily? Does the whole assembly need to be changed or simply the spring around that rod? If so I'd be looking for a "roil spring" or "recoil spring assembly"? Need to get the terminology right before I go out and ask at a shop.
And a "Trigger Spring" that's the other?
Anyhow range report. Today I managed to dump 300 rounds of 9mm through the gun. I followed the advice here and it was mostly at 12-13 yards and a handful of target a bit closer. Halfway through the range session I stopped, grabbed the .22LR and dumped 200 rounds of that. Looked for flinch, tried to eliminate it. I have to say that even at 20 yards with a Ruger Mark II I'm driving nails.
Well did I get any better compared to last time? This was shot from standing up at 12-13 yards and from various angles at the target which changed while I changed mags and moved sightly.
On another note, halfway through the range session I experinced a series of malfunctions. The magazines when topped off at 10 rounds, while they would load once fired the first two rounds wouldn't chamber. The slide would stay stuck in the rearwards positions until I slapped it forward like if you were doing a stoppage drill. I would do this twice then the gun would feed the remaining 8 rounds all the time. I took apart the gun and near the end of it, there was a hair of plastic coming off the frame, used my pocket knife to file it down, cleaned the gun a bit, oiled and put back together. The gun did not malfunction after that.
Make sure you're slide is on the frame correctly. I've never experienced plastic coming off the frame. Next time it gets stuck, drop the mag and clear the round.
I'll try for 7 next time.
Is there like an optimal ammo amount for a range trip training session? The analogy I'm using here is like if your working in a gym you can't just expect to pump out 7 hours of working out and expect it to be as good as going every day for one hour.
Is duping 300 rounds or so per range training session a good amount? Does it become counter productive after a certain amount? Is there a minimum?
I posted it and completely agree that it has very limited usefulness (as was stated) but feel more tools never hurt while learning, it helped me some and wanted to share
.Thanks
It becomes counter productive when a very experienced instructor and shooter such as "Slavex" is giving you good advice >>>5yrds and your ignoring it..listen to the man...hes trying to help ya
For a new shooter 300 rounds is probably on the high side for a range session. You don't even know when you're starting to be fatigued, and you're shooting at distances where self diagnosis during the shooting can't be done.
Should I worry about using the cheap stuff for cost sakes or go for the consistency of better ammo?
Being fatigued? I take it that's when the shaking hands start?
