Savage 10 not extracting

[hicaliber]

I have a Savage model 10 which I bought very lightly used that is not extracting.
I checked the extractor, it looks good, the spring seems fine and if I press a casing (bolt removed) into the bolt face it grabs the rim.
I did a search and read that some Savage rifles were shipped with out of spec bolt baffles.

Does this sound reasonable or is there something else I should look at before ordering a baffle?
The rifle shoots fine other then this and a buddy bought the exact same rifle and is having the same problem.

 

[gunpro]

I would contact Savage and see what they suggest. You might even score some free replacement parts....

 

[hicaliber]

I would contact Savage and see what they suggest. You might even score some free replacement parts....

I know it can take forever to get issues resolved through warranty so if that's the case I would rather buy the parts but I will give it a try and see what they say.

 

[Lodi]

Clean the chamber well. Try factory ammo.

 

[sunray]

"...and read that..." On some internet forum? Bolts don't have 'baffles'.
Call Savage. After you give the rifle a really good bath. The ammo your using might be an issue too.

 

[.22LRGUY]

"...and read that..." On some internet forum? Bolts don't have 'baffles'.
Call Savage. After you give the rifle a really good bath. The ammo your using might be an issue too.

I own a Savage 10, so I Googled "Savage 10 bolt baffle" and indeed, it looks like such a beast exists. Didn't know it was called that mind you; http://www.midwayusa.com/product/95...t-baffle-savage-10-through-16-stainless-steel

I would start with what sunray suggested~thorough cleaning, special attention to the chamber, then run new..factory ammo through it. Does the bolt cycle fine otherwise? (=empty) I would think that if that "baffle" was out of spec, it would feel sticky traveling forward/back.

 

[blackacres]

Hey hicaliber,

Once you perform the above cleaning etc., if you are still having any issues at all, I'd highly recommend that you do what 'gunpro' suggested, "contact Savage".

I've never had an issue with any of my Savage guns.
However, I know two fellows that had minor issues with their .22's.
I suggested that they contact Savage and explain what issue they were having, both were told to return the gun for inspection and if required repair.
One guy received a brand new rifle back! The other had the issue fixed and the rifle were signs that the rifle had been completely 'gone over' as it had been cleaned/lubed and there were signs of new parts being installed that had nothing to do with the original issue!
The one fellow was like you, he had picked up a 'like new' Savage off the EE, then discovered the issue on the first outing, Savage still covered it under warranty!

Savage have an excellent support service.

 

[buffdog]

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Are you using reloads or are you using factory ammunition? Does it work with factory ammunition - if it does, then your reloads are suspect.

If not, then your rifle is suspect.

If your rifle is suspect, then try placing a cartridge case onto the bolt face. Does it go on fairly easy, and most of all, does it have clearance on the rim when the extractor slips over the rim, or, is it really tight when being held by the extractor. If it is really tight, then the extractor might have to be relieved slightly on the back side where it grips the rim. Also check the hook area of the extractor for burrs or anything that can make it difficult for the rim to slip underneath the extractor. If there is not enough clearance for the rim to go past and behind the extractor, then the extractor does not engage the rim of the cartridge and allow it to be taken out of the chamber. In other words, the extractor may be riding on the edge of the rim, rather than in the groove.

Is it the right extractor? If a 30-06 extractor has been replaced with an extractor for a magnum cartridge, then slippage could occur.

The Savage is a push feed system. That means that the cartridge is pushed out of the magazine into the chamber and then the bolt moves forward enough so that the base and rim of the cartridge pushes the extractor out of the way and then the extractor snaps back to engage the rim. Therefore the base of the cartridge has to stay out of the chamber by a certain distance for this to happen, and, the extractor must have enough clearance to snap back and engage the rim. If the extractor is too big, it will only engage a small area of the rim, and if it is too thick or has burrs on it, it will not return back far enough to engage the rim.

Another problem is that the extractor spring is weak, or the small ball that the spring pushes against the extractor is missing. This condition would not provide enough force for the extractor to work properly when it is engaged with the rim, and the rim would simply push the extractor back outwards when the bolt is opened.

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[hicaliber]

Clean the chamber well. Try factory ammo.

Gun was thorougly cleaned before I shot it.
Only use factory ammo, I shoot way too much .223 to reload.

"...and read that..." On some internet forum? Bolts don't have 'baffles'.
Call Savage. After you give the rifle a really good bath. The ammo your using might be an issue too.

Yes, bolts do have baffles or at least that is what Savage calls it.

Hey hicaliber,

Once you perform the above cleaning etc., if you are still having any issues at all, I'd highly recommend that you do what 'gunpro' suggested, "contact Savage".

I've never had an issue with any of my Savage guns.
However, I know two fellows that had minor issues with their .22's.
I suggested that they contact Savage and explain what issue they were having, both were told to return the gun for inspection and if required repair.
One guy received a brand new rifle back! The other had the issue fixed and the rifle were signs that the rifle had been completely 'gone over' as it had been cleaned/lubed and there were signs of new parts being installed that had nothing to do with the original issue!
The one fellow was like you, he had picked up a 'like new' Savage off the EE, then discovered the issue on the first outing, Savage still covered it under warranty!

Savage have an excellent support service.

I currently own 3 Savage rifles and have owned 8-10 others in the past and never had an issue. Savage is my favorite stock factory rifle.
Yes I will contact them today, thanks.

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Are you using reloads or are you using factory ammunition? Does it work with factory ammunition - if it does, then your reloads are suspect.

If not, then your rifle is suspect.

If your rifle is suspect, then try placing a cartridge case onto the bolt face. Does it go on fairly easy, and most of all, does it have clearance on the rim when the extractor slips over the rim, or, is it really tight when being held by the extractor. If it is really tight, then the extractor might have to be relieved slightly on the back side where it grips the rim. Also check the hook area of the extractor for burrs or anything that can make it difficult for the rim to slip underneath the extractor. If there is not enough clearance for the rim to go past and behind the extractor, then the extractor does not engage the rim of the cartridge and allow it to be taken out of the chamber. In other words, the extractor may be riding on the edge of the rim, rather than in the groove.

Is it the right extractor? If a 30-06 extractor has been replaced with an extractor for a magnum cartridge, then slippage could occur.

The Savage is a push feed system. That means that the cartridge is pushed out of the magazine into the chamber and then the bolt moves forward enough so that the base and rim of the cartridge pushes the extractor out of the way and then the extractor snaps back to engage the rim. Therefore the base of the cartridge has to stay out of the chamber by a certain distance for this to happen, and, the extractor must have enough clearance to snap back and engage the rim. If the extractor is too big, it will only engage a small area of the rim, and if it is too thick or has burrs on it, it will not return back far enough to engage the rim.

Another problem is that the extractor spring is weak, or the small ball that the spring pushes against the extractor is missing. This condition would not provide enough force for the extractor to work properly when it is engaged with the rim, and the rim would simply push the extractor back outwards when the bolt is opened.

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Buffdog you have just described exactly what I did when I got home.
Yes the extractor does grab the case rim when I insert it by hand and is not overly tight.
What I thought was happening and what led me to do the inteweb search is that the bolt baffle (Savage's name for it) is the part that I believe pushes the bolt forward the last few thousands of an inch forcing the extractor over the case rim.
I think the baffle being out of spec it may not be moving the bolt far enough ahead to engauage the extrator, if this is the case a new baffle is only about $5 and is quicker to buy then wait for Savage to replace.
I am not all that familiar with head spacing but I wondered that if this was the case then there should also be a head space issue ,is the bullet seated properly and that's the reason for posting here.
I would rather fix it myself then deal with warrantee issues and since it is a new gun I am not sure that warranty even applies. If it did then my having the barrel cut for 27" (actually 24 + the muzzle brake) to 19" and crowned would probably void it anyway.
The gun shoots fine, even better then fine it is damn accurate.

As I said my buddy bought the same gun and his is 100% original and he is having the same issue.

 

[timmy204]

Gun was thorougly cleaned before I shot it.
Only use factory ammo, I shoot way too much .223 to reload.



Yes, bolts do have baffles or at least that is what Savage calls it.



I currently own 3 Savage rifles and have owned 8-10 others in the past and never had an issue. Savage is my favorite stock factory rifle.
Yes I will contact them today, thanks.



Buffdog you have just described exactly what I did when I got home.
Yes the extractor does grab the case rim when I insert it by hand and is not overly tight.
What I thought was happening and what led me to do the inteweb search is that the bolt baffle (Savage's name for it) is the part that I believe pushes the bolt forward the last few thousands of an inch forcing the extractor over the case rim.
I think the baffle being out of spec it may not be moving the bolt far enough ahead to engauage the extrator, if this is the case a new baffle is only about $5 and is quicker to buy then wait for Savage to replace.
I am not all that familiar with head spacing but I wondered that if this was the case then there should also be a head space issue ,is the bullet seated properly and that's the reason for posting here.
I would rather fix it myself then deal with warrantee issues and since it is a new gun I am not sure that warranty even applies. If it did then my having the barrel cut for 27" (actually 24 + the muzzle brake) to 19" and crowned would probably void it anyway.
The gun shoots fine, even better then fine it is damn accurate.

As I said my buddy bought the same gun and his is 100% original and he is having the same issue.

The bolt head itself pulls the bolt forward as it rotates into battery. The baffle just sits behind the bolt head and aligns the bolt head to the chamber.

 

[hicaliber]

Thanks guys, no love from Savage warranty centre.
Gunsmith at Al Simmons is back from his hunting trip next week so I will take it o him.