OK to use combo 7x57R/12ga on shotgun only deer hunt if I don't carry the rifle ctgs
- Thread starter Pete04
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Why would it not be ok to use the combo gun?
You have shotshells in the appropriate load for the game you are pursuing.
You likely will garner some attention from the C/O Dept. if they spot you in the field.
But, with proper lic. tags and No Center Fire Rounds in your possession what can go wrong?
Of course, I shoot/hunt in BC and we all know the C/O Dept. never ever make mistakes, especially when trying to interpret firearms and game laws.
Good Hunting,
Rob
You have shotshells in the appropriate load for the game you are pursuing.
You likely will garner some attention from the C/O Dept. if they spot you in the field.
But, with proper lic. tags and No Center Fire Rounds in your possession what can go wrong?
Of course, I shoot/hunt in BC and we all know the C/O Dept. never ever make mistakes, especially when trying to interpret firearms and game laws.
Good Hunting,
Rob
I had a similar dilemma when hunting a shotgun only deer hunt near Edmonton years ago. The best shotgun option I had was my Savage M24 in .222 over 20 ga. It had rifle sights and with it i could group the 20 ga. "rifled slugs" OK. But the extractor mechanism of the M24 was so loose that it did not function well with just the shotgun shell in it and worked much better with both shotgun and rifle cartridges in. So I took a spent .222 and with pliers squeezed the bullet end closed and put it in the chamber. That way no one could say I had recently shot the .222.
It could depend on how the wording of the regulation went and how the officer interpreted it. As an example if the regulation says '...unlawful to carry a firearm except a shotgun..." then it doesn't matter how "unloaded" it is, it is not legal.
It could depend on how the wording of the regulation went and how the officer interpreted it. As an example if the regulation says '...unlawful to carry a firearm except a shotgun..." then it doesn't matter how "unloaded" it is, it is not legal.
But what are the exact words in the regulation?
Does it say you may not "hunt with" or "carry".
If you have a shotgun/rifle combo but are only "hunting with" the shotgun it may be legal. But if it says "carry" and you are carrying a rifle/shotgun combo it may not be legal.
Those literally are the exact words in the regulation..... at the top of the chart the column says "Conditions, (restrictions only)".... then when you get down to the respective WMU and look in that column it says "Bows, shotguns and muzzle-loading guns only"... very vague... when I see vagueness like that I tend to err on the side of caution as stated earlier....
You're reading the regulations synopsis, which is based on the regulations. That's why Duffy asked "But what are the exact words in the regulation?"
I'm with FLHTCUI on this one. If you don't have any rifle ammo on you, then you aren't hunting with a rifle. Even the most "by the book" CO would see this logic. Call your local CO and ask. I bet he/she says go for it.
But what words does the actual legislation use? That's the question.
For example, if it says "the use of rifles is prohibited", then nobody breaks the law until they fire a round through the rifled barrel of that combo gun.
If it says "carrying of rifles is prohibited", then carrying that combo gun is breaking the law.
There's no simple answer until we can see the actual legislation (and I'm too lazy to look for it, sorry).
In the meantime, I still think a CO would let it slide if it was obvious the intent was to only use slugs out of shotgun barrel. Having no centrefire ammo would go a long way to making that obvious.
There is no direct reference other then this, I imagine the Controlled hunt is "conditions imposed by the Minister"
p.s this is Ontario and people have been charged for leaning their loaded guns against a vehicle
Conditions on licence – regulations
62. (1) A licence is subject to the conditions prescribed by the regulations.
Conditions on licence – Minister
(2) The Minister may impose written conditions on a licence that do not conflict with the regulations.
Conditions on authorization
(3) The Minister may impose written conditions on an authorization that he or she gives under this Act.
Examples
(4) For example, the conditions imposed on a licence or authorization may,
(a) limit the species to which the licence or authorization applies;
(b) limit the area to which the licence or authorization applies;
(c) limit the time during which the licence or authorization applies;
(d) limit the circumstances in which the licence or authorization applies; and
(e) if the licence or authorization authorizes the hunting or trapping of wildlife, limit the number, ###, size, age or type of wildlife that may be killed, captured or possessed or limit the methods that may be used to hunt or trap the wildlife.
p.s this is Ontario and people have been charged for leaning their loaded guns against a vehicle
Conditions on licence – regulations
62. (1) A licence is subject to the conditions prescribed by the regulations.
Conditions on licence – Minister
(2) The Minister may impose written conditions on a licence that do not conflict with the regulations.
Conditions on authorization
(3) The Minister may impose written conditions on an authorization that he or she gives under this Act.
Examples
(4) For example, the conditions imposed on a licence or authorization may,
(a) limit the species to which the licence or authorization applies;
(b) limit the area to which the licence or authorization applies;
(c) limit the time during which the licence or authorization applies;
(d) limit the circumstances in which the licence or authorization applies; and
(e) if the licence or authorization authorizes the hunting or trapping of wildlife, limit the number, ###, size, age or type of wildlife that may be killed, captured or possessed or limit the methods that may be used to hunt or trap the wildlife.
Interesting. It doesn't get more specific than that?
Another way to look at it is that hunting is defined as "pursuing and animal with the intent to kill it." So how could a CO claim that you intended to kill the animal with the rifle barrel of a combo gun if you have no ammunition for said rifle barrel?
On the other hand, your point about being in Ontario is certainly meaningful.
I'd suggest again that the OP call the local CO and ask. I am very curious to know what they say.
Another way to look at it is that hunting is defined as "pursuing and animal with the intent to kill it." So how could a CO claim that you intended to kill the animal with the rifle barrel of a combo gun if you have no ammunition for said rifle barrel?
On the other hand, your point about being in Ontario is certainly meaningful.
I'd suggest again that the OP call the local CO and ask. I am very curious to know what they say.
Just playing devil's advocate here.... I am pursuing an animal with a loaded combination gun, the shotgun is loaded so I intend to kill... I am also carrying a rifle therefore I am carrying a rifle while hunting.. the rules don't specify that you have to intend to kill the animal with a rifle.... or take into account ammunition... I have hunted both provinces... the CO in BC are much more laid back and less anal than they are... as is noticed by the division of views in this thread and where folks are from....
Also, your definition of hunting and the legal definition of hunting are two different things... technically, if I bring my nine year old out goose hunting and he is calling he is hunting even though he has no intentuions or means to kill an animal....
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I personally woudn't do it.
Consider picking up a single shot shotgun. They can be had used for as little as $80 or new for about $150.
Consider picking up a single shot shotgun. They can be had used for as little as $80 or new for about $150.
Slam dunk
Hello,
Thank you for your inquiry.
As this firearm is a shotgun/rifle combination and rifles are not a permitted weapon type for hunting deer during the controlled hunt (except in WMU 76A), you may not carry this firearm; regardless of the fact that you would not be carrying .222 ammunition. You will have to find another shotgun to carry during the controlled hunt.
We hope you have found this information helpful.
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Hello,
Thank you for your inquiry.
As this firearm is a shotgun/rifle combination and rifles are not a permitted weapon type for hunting deer during the controlled hunt (except in WMU 76A), you may not carry this firearm; regardless of the fact that you would not be carrying .222 ammunition. You will have to find another shotgun to carry during the controlled hunt.
We hope you have found this information helpful.
Regards,
NRIC web reader - CG
************************************
Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources
Natural Resources Information Centre
300 Water Street,P.O. Box 7000
Peterborough, ON K9J 8M5
1-800-667-1940
TTY: 1-866-686-6072
Fax: 705-755-1677
mnr.nric.mnr@ontario.ca
Messages sent by email are not secure. If you choose to provide your personal information, it will not be encrypted, nor will our response be encrypted. Alternatively you can phone 1-800-667-1940 between 8:30AM and 5:00PM, Monday through Friday.
