Moose blockades in region 5?
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If you're in 5-3, 4 or 5, you may have issues.
http://bigshotsbc.ca/showthread.php?4700-Anyone-have-a-Moose-tag-for-5-03-04-or-05
I can't believe they get away with that crap. I love how they say that they are limiting themselve to one moose this year ( each native hunter) and leh holders aren't allowed any. Maybe if they limited each of there hunters to one every year and just took bulls the moose wouldn't be in decline.
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Like I said in that thread, it`s a case of `Do as I say, not as I do`. With the other cows, etc they`ve killed in years past, the wolf issue, and people like the 3 poachers that got off Scot-free, I`m amazed sometimes that we HAVE any animals to hunt.
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last year didn't the gov just pay off that other band causing grief in area 5 ...... maybe these guys want a piece of the action ?
many people will be pointing fingers at each other about low moose populations ...... when we really have a huge wolf over population that far too many people are afraid to talk about for fear of getting the environmentalist's underwear in a knot .
these are the same wolves that feast on our delicious moose .... and many farmers livestock .
if everyone could figure out how to get on the same page here , maybe things would get a lot better for all involved .
many people will be pointing fingers at each other about low moose populations ...... when we really have a huge wolf over population that far too many people are afraid to talk about for fear of getting the environmentalist's underwear in a knot .
these are the same wolves that feast on our delicious moose .... and many farmers livestock .
if everyone could figure out how to get on the same page here , maybe things would get a lot better for all involved .
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Pay them to shoot wolves.
No cure, no pay.
Two problems solved.
No cure, no pay.
Two problems solved.
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Crap, seriously crap. I have LEH for 5-12B and it will be my first moose hunt. I'd be very disappointed if there were issues.... or I could pass as native maybe.
Reading about it on the huntingBC forum. Apparently the first nations people intend to blockade the roads in, and will "escort" you out of the area. Not sure how they plan to do that, but there was some talk about them wearing ski masks and pointing guns at hunters. That is not confirmed by me - but if it's true, it's not good. Someone is liable to make a mistake, and that would be tragic. Not sure what I will do if I encounter that situation.
From HuntingBC:
[h=2]First Nations planned ban on South Chilcotin LEH moose hunt[/h]
From HuntingBC:
[h=2]First Nations planned ban on South Chilcotin LEH moose hunt[/h]
Ministry of Forests to meet with First Nations over planned ban South Chilcotin LEH moose hunt
Published: October 03, 2013 6:00 PM
Updated: October 04, 2013 9:14 AM
The Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations said further details will be available later today, after a scheduled meeting with the Yunesit'in Band Council Friday morning.
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Members of the Yunesit'in Band Council have declared a ban on the remaining limited entry moose hunt in the South Chilcotin, effective Friday, Oct. 4.
"The band council has prepared moose monitors at each bridge periodically that which will affect areas M.U. 5-03, 5-04, 5-05. Affected communities may follow suit," the band said in a press release issued Thursday evening.
Moose monitors will enforce the band by turning away all ATVs and similar off-road vehicles.
First Nations hunters will be advised to take only bull moose and no more than one moose will be allowed. LEH hunters will be turned away and informational pamphlets will be handed out to local residents and others.
“There are larger issues with respect to the reasons for the moose decline, such as damage to the ecosystem," Yunesit'in Chief Russell Myers Ross told the Tribune Advisor Thursday evening.
"However, there are immediate conservation needs," he said. "We do not feel like the Province is taking us or this issue seriously. It will take decades for the moose to recover to the state they were a few years ago.”
First Nations are not afraid of asserting their Aboriginal right to hunt, and "sometimes this means protecting that right in ways we feel justified, Tl'esqox (Toosey) Chief Francis Laceese stated in the press release.
The Yunesit’in Council sent a letter to the Ministry of Forests, Lands and Resource Operations, on March 26, 2013, requesting a chance to meet and provide recommendations, Myers Ross said.
"It's my impression that we tried to reach out quite early on so that we would be part of the process, and we didn't get the courtesy of a response at all," he said. "I guess they figured it would be under the Tsilhqot'in National Government umbrella, but we felt they should be giving us the courtesy of a response by phone or anything."
The communities have made a number of recommendations to the government for a number of years, but don't feel they've had a voice, Myers Ross said.
Published: October 03, 2013 6:00 PM
Updated: October 04, 2013 9:14 AM
The Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations said further details will be available later today, after a scheduled meeting with the Yunesit'in Band Council Friday morning.
Original story:
Members of the Yunesit'in Band Council have declared a ban on the remaining limited entry moose hunt in the South Chilcotin, effective Friday, Oct. 4.
"The band council has prepared moose monitors at each bridge periodically that which will affect areas M.U. 5-03, 5-04, 5-05. Affected communities may follow suit," the band said in a press release issued Thursday evening.
Moose monitors will enforce the band by turning away all ATVs and similar off-road vehicles.
First Nations hunters will be advised to take only bull moose and no more than one moose will be allowed. LEH hunters will be turned away and informational pamphlets will be handed out to local residents and others.
“There are larger issues with respect to the reasons for the moose decline, such as damage to the ecosystem," Yunesit'in Chief Russell Myers Ross told the Tribune Advisor Thursday evening.
"However, there are immediate conservation needs," he said. "We do not feel like the Province is taking us or this issue seriously. It will take decades for the moose to recover to the state they were a few years ago.”
First Nations are not afraid of asserting their Aboriginal right to hunt, and "sometimes this means protecting that right in ways we feel justified, Tl'esqox (Toosey) Chief Francis Laceese stated in the press release.
The Yunesit’in Council sent a letter to the Ministry of Forests, Lands and Resource Operations, on March 26, 2013, requesting a chance to meet and provide recommendations, Myers Ross said.
"It's my impression that we tried to reach out quite early on so that we would be part of the process, and we didn't get the courtesy of a response at all," he said. "I guess they figured it would be under the Tsilhqot'in National Government umbrella, but we felt they should be giving us the courtesy of a response by phone or anything."
The communities have made a number of recommendations to the government for a number of years, but don't feel they've had a voice, Myers Ross said.
It's bad enough they have special hunting rights contrary to game management... When they start blocking legal hunts they need to be charged...
I'd love to see them try and pull this ####e in the us... We need to adopt the same approach here
I'd love to see them try and pull this ####e in the us... We need to adopt the same approach here
Some of you guys have no idea what yer talking about.
I'm in region 5. A first nations buddy of mine from another area was gonna come hunt region 5 for deer and moose. He called the local band office up at canim and asked pemission.... A common practice. He was denied due to conservation concerns.
We both are going together moose hunting, I'm Metis but have no special harvesting rights in BC. So we asked permission from a different region's band and were granted the request. I still have to follow open seasons and all hunting regs obviously.
The big problem I see is the political game being played with moose and mule deer seasons and LEH tags, between first nations , guide outfitters association of BC and the province. All the while, regular joe hunter pays the price.
Resident hunters need to start questioning why rut closures and reductions in LEH tag availability is being forced on non guided hunters.
Next time I want to hunt in a traditional first nations hunting territoy, I see no harm in keeping a cool head and asking permission, you might be surprised at the response.
I say that because I know guys that jet boat hunt up north non guided for years and in 05 , ran into the road blocks. The next year they asked permission and it's been granted every year. A little respect goes a long way.
You can choose to play the I hate natives card.... Or you can play the political game and get some where
My 2 cents. I hunt and fish with quite a few first nations folks and have been impressed with their "sportsmanship" , ethics and manner of harvest.... Which is quite contrary to the belief that is out there.
I'm in region 5. A first nations buddy of mine from another area was gonna come hunt region 5 for deer and moose. He called the local band office up at canim and asked pemission.... A common practice. He was denied due to conservation concerns.
We both are going together moose hunting, I'm Metis but have no special harvesting rights in BC. So we asked permission from a different region's band and were granted the request. I still have to follow open seasons and all hunting regs obviously.
The big problem I see is the political game being played with moose and mule deer seasons and LEH tags, between first nations , guide outfitters association of BC and the province. All the while, regular joe hunter pays the price.
Resident hunters need to start questioning why rut closures and reductions in LEH tag availability is being forced on non guided hunters.
Next time I want to hunt in a traditional first nations hunting territoy, I see no harm in keeping a cool head and asking permission, you might be surprised at the response.
I say that because I know guys that jet boat hunt up north non guided for years and in 05 , ran into the road blocks. The next year they asked permission and it's been granted every year. A little respect goes a long way.
You can choose to play the I hate natives card.... Or you can play the political game and get some where
My 2 cents. I hunt and fish with quite a few first nations folks and have been impressed with their "sportsmanship" , ethics and manner of harvest.... Which is quite contrary to the belief that is out there.
Some of you guys have no idea what yer talking about.
I'm in region 5. A first nations buddy of mine from another area was gonna come hunt region 5 for deer and moose. He called the local band office up at canim and asked pemission.... A common practice. He was denied due to conservation concerns.
We both are going together moose hunting, I'm Metis but have no special harvesting rights in BC. So we asked permission from a different region's band and were granted the request. I still have to follow open seasons and all hunting regs obviously.
The big problem I see is the political game being played with moose and mule deer seasons and LEH tags, between first nations , guide outfitters association of BC and the province. All the while, regular joe hunter pays the price.
Resident hunters need to start questioning why rut closures and reductions in LEH tag availability is being forced on non guided hunters.
Next time I want to hunt in a traditional first nations hunting territoy, I see no harm in keeping a cool head and asking permission, you might be surprised at the response.
I say that because I know guys that jet boat hunt up north non guided for years and in 05 , ran into the road blocks. The next year they asked permission and it's been granted every year. A little respect goes a long way.
You can choose to play the I hate natives card.... Or you can play the political game and get some where
My 2 cents. I hunt and fish with quite a few first nations folks and have been impressed with their "sportsmanship" , ethics and manner of harvest.... Which is quite contrary to the belief that is out there.
How about we play the game that there are x amount of hunters that want to hunt and x amount of animals that we should harvest and have EVERYONE apply for a tag?...
Here's something to consider
If the wildlife officials said... Oh, moose are in decline in region ### , we need to enact strict measures....
We'd find a new area... Right?
With wolves rampant, ever increasing guide allocations and restricted access to tags for resident hunters.... It's no wonder the people on the land you want to hunt are raising their voices.
Fact: moose are in serious decline across a couple regions in BC.
Limitted entry was supposed to solve this when it was enacted for all moose hunting in region 5 back in the 90's . It has not and now the next step is to further reduce hunting pressure. I'm seeing first nations in region 5 taking that step.
For those who do not liVe in BC or in region 5 , I'll ask you to go to the BC ministry of environments website and search for their recent publications on moose studies across region 5 .
This year, the rut was kinda early and a lot of late sept hunters were successful taking bulls. Thus the concern now for the remaining bull populations.
I don't wanna argue with anyne on the native vs non native issue.
BUT when it comes to moose populations in region 5, If you do the research on the in depth studies being done by the ministry themselves, you too might think twice about harvesting region 5 moose.
There IS a genuine concern for moose populations in region 5 and that is why these first nations bands are acting as they are.
As a conservation first type of hunter, I have no issues with it. I live here in region 5 and see moose routinely up in the ranch and it kills me as a hunter that it's all LEH lottery only, but it is what it is.
If the wildlife officials said... Oh, moose are in decline in region ### , we need to enact strict measures....
We'd find a new area... Right?
With wolves rampant, ever increasing guide allocations and restricted access to tags for resident hunters.... It's no wonder the people on the land you want to hunt are raising their voices.
Fact: moose are in serious decline across a couple regions in BC.
Limitted entry was supposed to solve this when it was enacted for all moose hunting in region 5 back in the 90's . It has not and now the next step is to further reduce hunting pressure. I'm seeing first nations in region 5 taking that step.
For those who do not liVe in BC or in region 5 , I'll ask you to go to the BC ministry of environments website and search for their recent publications on moose studies across region 5 .
This year, the rut was kinda early and a lot of late sept hunters were successful taking bulls. Thus the concern now for the remaining bull populations.
I don't wanna argue with anyne on the native vs non native issue.
BUT when it comes to moose populations in region 5, If you do the research on the in depth studies being done by the ministry themselves, you too might think twice about harvesting region 5 moose.
There IS a genuine concern for moose populations in region 5 and that is why these first nations bands are acting as they are.
As a conservation first type of hunter, I have no issues with it. I live here in region 5 and see moose routinely up in the ranch and it kills me as a hunter that it's all LEH lottery only, but it is what it is.
What gathered data and studies do the natives have to support their blockade?... How much money have they spent on game study?... Why do the seasons and harvest limits not apply to all?... Very simple questions...
So are they trying to keep non-bandmembers out while band-members are free to hunt? If its about conservation that's one thing but if its blocking outsiders from your area while you hunt that is quite another thing. They have the right to hunt but so does everyone else. Draws are still being issued which tells me the moose population can sustain the hunting. The population is surely monitored and draws issued based on that so it sounds like a difference of opinion to me. Conservation isn't typically ignored. I hope they aren't doing this to have the animals to themselves, more info is needed.
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/management-issues/docs/gmz5b_alternative_harv_strat_review.pdf
read this.
and as far as i'm concerned if you don't even live in BC , this issue is not your concern and shouldn't be your excuse to come on the site and bash first nations.
I actually live in region 5
can confirm that local first nations are in fact working hand in hand with the ministry of wildlife but the guide outfitter association and the ministry are not acting as per the study above I've provided a link to.
plain and simple, moose populations are suffering here big time and more needs to be done.
personally I see closing the season now as the correct move for the ministry but unfortunately they are not acting.
do I agree with anyone interfering with a lawful hunt? nope
but I do think a bunch of guys here from a bunch of provinces other than region 5 are only here to bash natives, and this closure or blockading has zero to do with your moose hunting season does it.
I have friends with draws in the areas already being affected and while it sux,,,,,, there's other places with lots more moose that we can go, and we will.
there is a genuine and serious concern for region 5 moose, right across the board, and someone needs to stand up and make the public aware.
read the link above.... it may take you a couple days.
fwiw a couple weeks before the LEH draw tags had to be received in Victoria, the ministry drastically cut the available tags for moose in region 5 due to conservation concerns, when really, they should have shut it all down period.
read this.
and as far as i'm concerned if you don't even live in BC , this issue is not your concern and shouldn't be your excuse to come on the site and bash first nations.
I actually live in region 5
can confirm that local first nations are in fact working hand in hand with the ministry of wildlife but the guide outfitter association and the ministry are not acting as per the study above I've provided a link to.
plain and simple, moose populations are suffering here big time and more needs to be done.
personally I see closing the season now as the correct move for the ministry but unfortunately they are not acting.
do I agree with anyone interfering with a lawful hunt? nope
but I do think a bunch of guys here from a bunch of provinces other than region 5 are only here to bash natives, and this closure or blockading has zero to do with your moose hunting season does it.
I have friends with draws in the areas already being affected and while it sux,,,,,, there's other places with lots more moose that we can go, and we will.
there is a genuine and serious concern for region 5 moose, right across the board, and someone needs to stand up and make the public aware.
read the link above.... it may take you a couple days.
fwiw a couple weeks before the LEH draw tags had to be received in Victoria, the ministry drastically cut the available tags for moose in region 5 due to conservation concerns, when really, they should have shut it all down period.
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