Remington 700 sps tactical and cz 527 varmint problems and performance
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I have an SPS Tactical in .223. I shoot 69 gr Sierra BTHP over Varget handloads.
If the wind is not too bad and I'm on my game and I'm shooting at a bench it shoots well under 1 moa. I will say though, that the stock is flexible and to shoot it well I need to be careful not to put any significant downward pressure on the rifle or groups open up. In other words, I need to shoot it with the "free recoil" technique.
I should say, I've only got an inexpensive Trophy XLT 4-12 scope on the rifle. When I bought it a couple years ago I only paid $600 for it including Leupold rings and bases, taxes in. Overall I'm really happy with it.
Good for you my friend. I bought mine 3 weeks ago. It is a rem 700 sps tactical in 223. I zero it out in 50 and a bit okay. I brought it to 100 yards and its very inconsistent, sometimes to the left, right, up and down 3 to 5 inches in average with one another. By the way i am using the stoney creek platform and 55 grains FMJ winchester and american eagle ammo. I brought it back to my store and they use the bushnell boresighter and it seems it is off by 6 inches left windage and 3 inches elevation. We adjusted it and i will try again this coming week in silverdale (if its open already from a complaint). Do you have any suggestion?
I have a CZ 527 varmint and it is an accurate rig, and a little lighter to carry around vs. your average varmint gun. The only drawback I can see with it is that the bolt isn't the smoothest out of the box but will get better with use (its really not that bad to start with), and mounting a scope can be an issue due to the high bolt throw but that can easily be overcomed with High rings or slightlly thinning the bolt handle.
I had a 700VS but prefer my 527.
Could your issues be your scope? Barska doesn't exactly have a real good reputation from what i have read, however I have no first hand experience with them.
I had a 700VS but prefer my 527.
Could your issues be your scope? Barska doesn't exactly have a real good reputation from what i have read, however I have no first hand experience with them.
I have a 527 varmint, and love that gun. It goes with me everywhere I work. Very accurate, although with norinco surplus, I get fliers... But I don't expect much from cheap chinese ammo...
It will put handloads into half an inch at 100 yards...
It will put handloads into half an inch at 100 yards...
I'm not sure what advice to give you other than what I mentioned above, shoot the rifle with no downward pressure on the stock. The twist of the rifle will favour a heavier bullet than you are using but that doesn't explain the spread you're getting. Are the scope base screws and cap screws tight? As mentioned, you may have a bad scope.
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- Canada, west
I'd look at a tikka with a 1-8 twist to use with the high BC bullets. I like my 700s though, time tested and true!!
Well, the CZ 527 is the only Varmint grade, factory rifle that will consistently ignite the primers on the Norc yellow box 223. The set trigger is very nice but not really necessary. The CZ, also has a 1-8 twist rate.
The Remington will have soft firing pin strikes and a very good trigger, which you will have to adjust to your needs. It is usually more accurate than the CZ. It will usually have a 1-14 twist rate and won't stabilize bullets over 60 grains.
The Tikka T3 is a good rifle as well. Depending on what it's loaded with, it will be as accurate as the Remington and has the advantage of being able to handle heavier bullets if so desired. It's lighter than the other two as well.
My only beef with any of the CZ rifles I own, are as mentioned the bolt movement is not smooth and the mags have very strong springs and very sharp feed lips. All of which are OK and can be lived with but with a bit of judicious polishing can be cleaned up.
The Remington will have soft firing pin strikes and a very good trigger, which you will have to adjust to your needs. It is usually more accurate than the CZ. It will usually have a 1-14 twist rate and won't stabilize bullets over 60 grains.
The Tikka T3 is a good rifle as well. Depending on what it's loaded with, it will be as accurate as the Remington and has the advantage of being able to handle heavier bullets if so desired. It's lighter than the other two as well.
My only beef with any of the CZ rifles I own, are as mentioned the bolt movement is not smooth and the mags have very strong springs and very sharp feed lips. All of which are OK and can be lived with but with a bit of judicious polishing can be cleaned up.
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The Remington Varmint has a 1:12 twist. It is incredibly accurate with 40 and 50 grain bullets (Vmax or Btips) - I know, I own one. The SPS tactical is advertised as a 1:9 twist. Not sure where the 1:14 comes from, possibly a typo.
The safety has to be that way, as it cams the firing pin in the cocked position. The gun cannot fire with the safety on. I talked to the smith that does the .19 calhoon conversions in Montana. He said that the safeties on the CZ was the best ones on the small rifles shooting .223, and he'd never seen one let go, even in really bad conditions in rough use. However he said that a kid was killed when a remington misfired.
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- Dah Soo,ON
You're using the worst and most inaccurate ammo known to man next to Norinco steel case. Buy sell match ammo and see if groups shrink.
I bought 40 rounds of AE 55 GR. FMJ once because I hadn't modified my Kimber Montana magazine box to accept 75 amaxs yet, I couldn't get 3 shots on paper with that AE crap. Finally gave up on it and threw it all away, didn't even keep the brass.
Go buy some 75 grain Hornady BTHP match ammo and try it.
I bought 40 rounds of AE 55 GR. FMJ once because I hadn't modified my Kimber Montana magazine box to accept 75 amaxs yet, I couldn't get 3 shots on paper with that AE crap. Finally gave up on it and threw it all away, didn't even keep the brass.
Go buy some 75 grain Hornady BTHP match ammo and try it.
If this is your choices for a hunting rifle go with the cz, I used a 308 sps tactical for hunting and what a tank to haul around in the bush but besides that if I do my part I can shoot 1" groups with it sometimes. I would not judge a rifles performance if your shooting cheap ammo.
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I have the 700 sps tac in .223, 1:9 twist, Bushnell elite tactical 6500 scope. once I dialed it in the thing has been wicked. Hands down my favorite rifle to shoot. The weight is up there and I have heard the stock is the worst part of those guns, but it is still more consistent than I expected. I can only imagine what a quality aftermarket stock will do to it. Fun shooting cheap FMJ off a backpack, consistently grenade clay trap hanging off stakes and branches from 200 + yds. I consistently drop the plates at 300 yds off the bench at the range, and I throw what ever I can get ammo wise at it. I have carried it lots hunting, heavy but not unmanageable. I would buy another in a heartbeat
I have the CZ 527 american in .223 and it is awesome. Mini mauser action, steel cilp, set trigger, and best of all my first handloads easily went into 1.75" at 250 and winchester whitebox 45 grain hps were slightly over 2". incredible for a non heavy barrel gun that is very light and handles like a dream. This was my first CZ and wont be my last.
