I'm curious, what does it say about him?
Watching this newreel breaks my heart
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I'm curious, what does it say about him?
Canadian_Zuk
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- Pickering, Ontario
I doubt it, In Ontario I don't think you can legally distribute meat that was not slaughtered by someone certified or some stupid crap like that. More than likely it was disposed of on the burn pile with all the other road kill scrapped up.
Finch please read this article. A true summary of the problems associated with tranquilizing.
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Tranquillizer+dart+never+easy+shot+says+rancher/9016216/story.html
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Tranquillizer+dart+never+easy+shot+says+rancher/9016216/story.html
The tactical guys would have attended because they carry a caliber big enough to take down the animal. I'm sure they were on duty anyways so whats the big deal? The MNR in my experience will not attempt to dart an animal for a large number of reasons (one being that they generally never have a dart gun with them) so it's left to the police to deal with. Everyone is always going to have an opinion on how it was dealt with and either way it will make the police look bad.
The fact of the matter is, yes if they had just left it alone, more than likely it would have made it's way back out of the area at somepoint. But once the police have been contacted and the crowd gathers that option leaves the police open for huge problems if for whatever reason that elk runs out onto the highway and causes an accident that injures people. I can just imagine the acticles and reports if the police had left it alone and someone died as a result. On this site alone the majority of members would be calling for terminations, law suits etc etc as per usual...
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Lotta dumb comments here. Go to the Cowichan Valley on Vancouver Island or Banff or 1000 other places in BC and AB. Elk, bears, deer all over the place. Cool, take pics, move on.
Maybe this elk was known terrorist? I have cop buddies, have nothing at all against cops, but this was simply stupid. They completely over-reacted to a wandering ungulate. End of story.
Elk haven't been seen within 10 miles of Ottawa for how long? 150 years until recent times?
Hey, let's kill it.
Maybe this elk was known terrorist? I have cop buddies, have nothing at all against cops, but this was simply stupid. They completely over-reacted to a wandering ungulate. End of story.
Elk haven't been seen within 10 miles of Ottawa for how long? 150 years until recent times?
Hey, let's kill it.
And therein lies the problem.... Same reason bears get shot if they make their way up to London or Guelph in Ontario
Exactly. If we shot every animal seen standing by a road... never mind... it's simply ridiculous.
SOOO glad I got the hell out of Ontario.
I just think it was cool to have an Elk in Ottawa...honestly didn't know we had WILD ones around here. Sucks that they shot it (wish I could have the meat!!!) but what's done is done. A few years ago close to my home town, Maniwaki, someone lost their LION. Yet the Reserve(Kitigan Zibi) Police were able to get it into a cruiser without having to shoot it. Difference is that it was tame but I'm pretty sure Lion handling isn't thought in police college 
If it had happened in Ottawa...I'm not so sure the Lion would still be alive.
Makes me think of "Alaska State Troopers" where one of the trooper's shot a moose from about 10-15 feet with a shotgun because it wasn't running away from him when he tried to scare her, at least the meat was given to people there.
...all in all, I'm impressed it got that far before anyone saw it.
If it had happened in Ottawa...I'm not so sure the Lion would still be alive. Makes me think of "Alaska State Troopers" where one of the trooper's shot a moose from about 10-15 feet with a shotgun because it wasn't running away from him when he tried to scare her, at least the meat was given to people there.
...all in all, I'm impressed it got that far before anyone saw it.
I figured they were going to shoot it from the get go, I wasn't surprised they did. I was just surprised it took that many police to perform this task is all. This is Canada people. We have wild animals in the bush, you should visit sometime!
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Bull####. An elk hasn't set foot on that ground for probably 150 years or more. They were re-introduced to the Bancroft area from a herd in Alberta, and have reached a population where they can actually be LEH'd. I grew up in Ottawa, have been a BC Elk hunter for 15 years, and the thought of that measure of success from so many people working towards conservation getting wasted by fools makes me ill.
"Hey, what's that? I don't know what that is, let's kill it."
Maybe you don't give two ####s, but you're alone here.
"Hey, what's that? I don't know what that is, let's kill it."
Maybe you don't give two ####s, but you're alone here.
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Wow! Albertans must be super-geniouses compared to Ontarians.
Alberta national park towns have learned to manage elk
Animals ‘at height of aggressiveness’ during fall rut
By Tom Spears, OTTAWA CITIZEN October 8, 2013
A bull elk in Banff peers over a fence looking for food. Park wardens use paintball guns and pellet rifles to encourage the animals to return to the wild.
Photograph by: Reno Sommerhalder
BANFF — Elk in the town at the heart of Banff National Park are close to a daily occurrence, but the sound of gunfire isn’t.The local Parks Canada staff has worked out a system of preventing conflict between the human residents and the unwanted visitors, which are believed to show up because wolves don’t come into town. They also like grazing on lawns and gardens.
Still, conflict does happen, and people do get hurt.
A park warden’s summary of the situation warns: “The most serious elk/human conflicts occur when elk charge at and make contact with people. Cow elk use their hoofs to kick and stomp on a victim, while bulls sometimes lower their head and use their antlers as an offensive weapon.
“Although elk/human conflicts may occur year round, the likelihood of an elk charging and injuring someone is greatest during the spring calving season and fall rut when the elk are at the height of their aggressiveness.
“Camera-happy photographers or unsuspecting joggers and hikers are the most likely victims, especially when the personal space of an elk is invaded.”
The main tactic has been to warn people to avoid elk, especially in spring and fall.
But wardens also drive away elk, and fire paintballs to mark elk that won’t take a hint.
“Repeat offenders are aversively conditioned and discouraged from using the townsite, removed from the park, or as a last resort, destroyed,” the park says.
The conditioning includes firing pellet guns that sting but don’t injure them.
At Waterton Lakes National Park in southern Alberta, Locke Marshall of Parks Canada has come face-to-face with elk and respects their size, but can’t remember a local elk hurting anyone.
“They tend to be quite fearful of people,” except for elk that spend time near a town as they do in Banff, he said. “Most of the time I see elk, they run from me.”
“First of all, people have to be smart enough not to approach the animals. That’s the main thing,” he said.
Hazing can chase them, he added.
“Elk are really good swimmers,” and the most obvious way for an elk to reach central Ottawa is by swimming from Gatineau, he suggests.
“That would be very feasible. They swim across rivers and lakes all the time.”
He said the photos of Ottawa’s elk look like a “middle-aged” animal three or more years old.
A fact sheet from the Canadian Wildlife Service adds that “it must always be kept in mind that animals habituated to humans may be dangerous if approached too closely. Bulls, especially, should be given a wide berth during the early autumn rutting season.”
tspears@ottawacitizen.com
Alberta national park towns have learned to manage elk
Animals ‘at height of aggressiveness’ during fall rut
By Tom Spears, OTTAWA CITIZEN October 8, 2013
A bull elk in Banff peers over a fence looking for food. Park wardens use paintball guns and pellet rifles to encourage the animals to return to the wild.
Photograph by: Reno Sommerhalder
BANFF — Elk in the town at the heart of Banff National Park are close to a daily occurrence, but the sound of gunfire isn’t.The local Parks Canada staff has worked out a system of preventing conflict between the human residents and the unwanted visitors, which are believed to show up because wolves don’t come into town. They also like grazing on lawns and gardens.
Still, conflict does happen, and people do get hurt.
A park warden’s summary of the situation warns: “The most serious elk/human conflicts occur when elk charge at and make contact with people. Cow elk use their hoofs to kick and stomp on a victim, while bulls sometimes lower their head and use their antlers as an offensive weapon.
“Although elk/human conflicts may occur year round, the likelihood of an elk charging and injuring someone is greatest during the spring calving season and fall rut when the elk are at the height of their aggressiveness.
“Camera-happy photographers or unsuspecting joggers and hikers are the most likely victims, especially when the personal space of an elk is invaded.”
The main tactic has been to warn people to avoid elk, especially in spring and fall.
But wardens also drive away elk, and fire paintballs to mark elk that won’t take a hint.
“Repeat offenders are aversively conditioned and discouraged from using the townsite, removed from the park, or as a last resort, destroyed,” the park says.
The conditioning includes firing pellet guns that sting but don’t injure them.
At Waterton Lakes National Park in southern Alberta, Locke Marshall of Parks Canada has come face-to-face with elk and respects their size, but can’t remember a local elk hurting anyone.
“They tend to be quite fearful of people,” except for elk that spend time near a town as they do in Banff, he said. “Most of the time I see elk, they run from me.”
“First of all, people have to be smart enough not to approach the animals. That’s the main thing,” he said.
Hazing can chase them, he added.
“Elk are really good swimmers,” and the most obvious way for an elk to reach central Ottawa is by swimming from Gatineau, he suggests.
“That would be very feasible. They swim across rivers and lakes all the time.”
He said the photos of Ottawa’s elk look like a “middle-aged” animal three or more years old.
A fact sheet from the Canadian Wildlife Service adds that “it must always be kept in mind that animals habituated to humans may be dangerous if approached too closely. Bulls, especially, should be given a wide berth during the early autumn rutting season.”
tspears@ottawacitizen.com
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- AB foothills
Sorry, he's not alone.
I doubt anyone has a big problem with shooting elk, It's the unnecessary wasting of elk, and gobs of other resources that were wasted pointlessly, that's at issue.
To the folks that have no problem with the way things went down, the attitude is 'no big deal'. Then why the cast of dozens and do you also support the extraordinary deployment of so many armed officers to defend against an unarmed elk. While there is actual crime in Ottawa that would be better served than turning the queensway into a temporary zoo.
To the folks that have no problem with the way things went down, the attitude is 'no big deal'. Then why the cast of dozens and do you also support the extraordinary deployment of so many armed officers to defend against an unarmed elk. While there is actual crime in Ottawa that would be better served than turning the queensway into a temporary zoo.
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- West Quebec
There is a recurring theme in Ottawa with respect to wildlife management.. everyone tripping over themselves in jurisdiction squabbles but none really in charge to deal with issues.
