Important re Antique status

[gunzik]

Mooncoon: Take heart! One bad decision doesn't mean policy has changed. They make bad decisions every day, seemingly at random.

22 Morris is a CB cap type of .22, right? If .22 Short doesn't fit, and you have documented that it is 6mm Flobert (use that description the next time you submit this gun for reclassification) then they will have another chance to get it right.

If you convert any prohibited (by caliber) firearm to a non-listed "antique by omission" firearm, the law says it is antique. "Policy" is not law, and I have noticed a greater degree of obstruction lately in prohib to restricted conversions as well.

Call it 6mm Flobert (antique) caliber, the original rimfire round. Demonstrate (photo) that .22 Short doesn't fit. That should do it. I wouldn't accept the first ruling. Wait a couple of weeks and then re-submit, as .22 Flobert caliber. They have plenty of antiques in 6mm Flobert. It is an antique caliber. BB caps, I guess you'd call them. If you need a tin of those, Epps had some snappy S&B at reasonable prices, and if they're out, PM me and we'll figure out how to get you a tin marked "6mm Flobert" for your next photo session.

Never give up. Persist, appeal, call, write, get expert opinions. Make the word "NO" something they really, really don't want to even think in response to a reclassification request, let alone say or write. It is up to us to train these nice people, not for them to train US. You are absolutely right, and the only thing you need to change is the caliber designation.

I don't understand any answer but the one I came in for. Or a better one. Persist!

 

[mooncoon]

22 Morris is a CB cap type of .22, right? I
nions. Make the word "NO" something they really, really don't want to even think in response to a reclassification request, let alone say or write. It is up to us to train these nice people, not for them to train US. You are absolutely right, and the only thing you need to change is the caliber designation.

the 22 morris is a centerfire 22 used for practice both in service rifles and in guns made specifically for them. In modern times a slight variation of it can be made from shortened and reshaped 22 hornet shells

cheers mooncoon

 

[budman]

A guy who bought a Webley MkI converted to 45acp/autorim off me got a antique status letter from the CFC and that was just 5 days ago so I would have to agree with the general consensus about antiques that were originally manufactured in a non antique calibre.

- might have this wrong, but 45 schofield converted
To 45 lc is ok by what you are saying.
From my blackberry

 

[NorthCoastBigBore]

- might have this wrong, but 45 schofield converted
To 45 lc is ok by what you are saying.
From my blackberry

It goes the other way - if you have a revolver chambered in .45 Colt made prior to '98 (and, based on this thread, apparently a model not designated as prohib by the CFC due to that model having been solely chambered in a "no-go" cartridge) then you can re-chamber in .45 Schofield; and you would then have an "antique" that would pass CFC policy (today).

Clear as mud?

 

[budman]

LOL, trying to read these threads on my
Blackberry, it is hard to keep track.
The print is so small and hard to read while
Being load at work.

 

[sunray]

"...RCMP can essentially write the law..." The Socilist F**ks got civil servants being allowed to make law by regulation from the ATF too. However, what is and is not an antique is clearly defined the CC of C . A revolver with a 4" barrel stops being prohibited just by virtue of a longer barrel. Problem is that no smithy will have one in his shop unless it and he are licenced for prohibited kit.

 

[Kewl]

"...RCMP can essentially write the law..." The Socilist F**ks got civil servants being allowed to make law by regulation from the ATF too. However, what is and is not an antique is clearly defined the CC of C . A revolver with a 4" barrel stops being prohibited just by virtue of a longer barrel. Problem is that no smithy will have one in his shop unless it and he are licenced for prohibited kit.

Once again posting misinformation. They should ban you for posting this crap.
Most gunsmith are licensed for "prohibited kit". This includes all 12.whatever classes, suppressors, etc.

 

[budman]

That is what I thought ,but I am not following well on these 44sp pistols. The ammo can be bought off
the shelve?

It goes the other way - if you have a revolver chambered in .45 Colt made prior to '98 (and, based on this thread, apparently a model not designated as prohib by the CFC due to that model having been solely chambered in a "no-go" cartridge) then you can re-chamber in .45 Schofield; and you would then have an "antique" that would pass CFC policy (today).

Clear as mud?

 

[mooncoon]

Once again posting misinformation. They should ban you for posting this crap.
Most gunsmith are licensed for "prohibited kit". This includes all 12.whatever classes, suppressors, etc.

Unless I am mistaken, a gunsmith has to have been a 12 (6) grandfather in order to work on that type of gun. Relative to being able to write the law, it is partially true to say they can do it because they administer the law. In my case it is Ottawa's policy that because the definition of a firearm includes the frame or receiver, a prohibited caliber or barrel makes the frame or receiver prohibited and the individual in the policy section in effect says that the frame is therefore contaminated and can never be made anything other than prohibited. At the provincial level, the Firearms Office takes the approach that the frame is prohibited until such time as it is rebarreled and / or altered to be out of 12(6) and that it returns to prohibited if the barrel and chamber are removed.

what is scary about Ottawa's policy is that it is only a small jump to prohibit all centerfire revolvers because they are designed or can be adapted to shoot a group of cartridges which include the prohib ones.

In reply to the issue of the commercial availability of ammunition, fortunately Ottawa seems to have taken the approach that antiques cannot be one of several common handgun cartridges rather than ammunition that can be commercially available. I think in part that may have been out of ignorance and partly to avoid the legal mess of what cartridges are commercially available. The fact that the no - go cartridges are named makes things much easier for all

cheers mooncoon

 

[Kewl]

Moon coon,
You are mistaken. The gunsmiths personal license or that of any of the businesses employees has no bearing on the business license. It is the piece of paper that says "firearms business license" that gives the god like powers to these individuals. Anybody can apply for a firearms business license, most will get one but have a specified period of time to show a profit.

You are also incorrect about "once a prohib, always a prohib". Many guns have been converted to restricted or antique status. Epps put out a necked down .32 ACP to get around the silly "no .32" crap.... I suspect you got a misinformed employee and they are the source of your issues.

Cheers