Israeli Mauser Carbine 19 inch barrel

davemccarthy707 said:
It may be a tanker rifle from the 67 war. Tons of tanks used. Who really knows?
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A bit speculative. Lots of Uzis and Browning 9mm Hi-Powers were inside Israeli tanks, but generally the FN-FAL and the Mauser rifles were used by other troops. The conversion of the 8mm Mausers to 7.62 was done to simplify ammunition supply, with the "first line" troops getting the FN-FAL and the secondary Militia troops ending up with the Mausers.

We now have "Tanker Garands" and "Tanker Lee-Enfields" so why not a "Tanker Israeli Mauser?" Some people can get very creative when describing something.

I think I have to agree with JBMAUSER and CLAVEN2 on this one. Someone did a VERY good job of shortening a regular Mauser to make a handy Carbine. I know of at least a half-dozen people here who could do such a job, plus myself and another guy here in the small Village I live in, and who makes very nice rifles.

I have taken longer Infantry Mausers that had bulged barrels, or worn rifling at the muzzle due to improper cleaning, and shortened the barrel in the lathe and did a bit of wood working, and made useful rifles from them. Usually about a few hours work after supper. But then again, I stamped the barrel so it would be known that this was done.

I would say this is another case of "Buy the Gun, not the Story."
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Hard to say. The Israelis begged, borrowed, stole whatever weapons they could get their hands on in the early days before they made their own. Could have been a prototype batch or a one of a kind rifle they modified themselves. Workmanship looks good, but I'm skeptical.
 
Its definitely a Mauser, and its a carbine, but I don't see any definitive markings to say that it is of Israeli origin.

However out of reading boredom in the middle of the night I did find this, Take it with a grain of salt.





During the late 1950s, the IDF converted the calibre of their Mauser Karabiner 98k rifles from the original German 7.92 mm round to 7.62 mm NATO following the adoption of the FN FAL rifle as their primary rifle in 1958. The Israeli Mauser Karabiner 98k rifles that were converted have "7.62" engraved on the rifle receiver. Rifles with original German stocks have "7.62" burned into the heel of the rifle stock for identification and to separate the 7.62 NATO rifles from the original 7.92 mm versions of the weapon still in service or held in reserve. Some Karabiner 98k rifles were fitted with new, unnumbered beech stocks of recent manufacture, while others retained their original furniture. All of these converted rifles were proof-fired for service.

ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karabiner_98k
 
It's definitely an Israeli converted k98k. It has Israeli proofs on the receiver, Israeli made stock, and the tell tale 7.62 on the receiver ring. To me the finish looks redone and not the same color as the original would have been. Just makes sense that this is somebody's modification done possibly to correct a bulged barrel like Buffdog said or they wanted to make a "tanker" version.
 
Claven2 said:
Fake, fake, fake... (In my opinion)
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Same, not like I'm an expert or anything, but I have never heard of a 'tanker' Mauser.

Is it just me, or am I the only guy who thoroughly dislikes the word 'tanker' when applied to milsurp rifles?
 
jbmauser said:
It's definitely an Israeli converted k98k. It has Israeli proofs on the receiver, Israeli made stock, and the tell tale 7.62 on the receiver ring. To me the finish looks redone and not the same color as the original would have been. Just makes sense that this is somebody's modification done possibly to correct a bulged barrel like Buffdog said or they wanted to make a "tanker" version.
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Is there a correct finish for an Israeli conversion?

I've seen plenty with green parkerizing, some with black, some obvious re blued jobs, and some untouched. Interestingly enough it seems that the FN Herstal contract versions usually have the thinnest bluing and the bolt typically in the white.

Not meaning to derail the thread, and by no means an expert in things Mauser - but I own a few of these rifles and no two ever seem to be alike (which I guess is true for the majority of any reworked rifle)

I do agree this is a great story but without evidence of this rifles provenance it is just that: a story!
 
This is not a carbine, this is a cut down K98. Guess if you consider all K98s to be carbines then yeah it's a carbine, otherwise it's a cut down K98.
 
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haretrigger said:
Is there a correct finish for an Israeli conversion?

I've seen plenty with green parkerizing, some with black, some obvious re blued jobs, and some untouched. Interestingly enough it seems that the FN Herstal contract versions usually have the thinnest bluing and the bolt typically in the white.

Not meaning to derail the thread, and by no means an expert in things Mauser - but I own a few of these rifles and no two ever seem to be alike (which I guess is true for the majority of any reworked rifle)

I do agree this is a great story but without evidence of this rifles provenance it is just that: a story!
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You're right that there is quite a variety of finishes seen on the Israeli conversions. It just seems to me that the finish on this one is a more modern one. The most common on the originals is the green parkerizing but I have seen others as well. Both of mine were green but the one I had to refinish when I restored it, has a black/greyish parkerizing very similar to this one. Some of the parts I bought to restore that one, were new old stock Israeli production parts and they have a different shade of grey to them than this cut down one.

Of course it could be the lighting in the pics that make this one look off to me or I could just be plain wrong. My wife tells me I'm color blind.:p
 
FN 308's appear green FN 22 appear black Someone might be able to use a 22 receiver and make a 308 I have thought about it...I have the 22 and the 308 barrel
 
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