Gouge in barrel land in t97
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I will second that! It would be nice to see the one they tested (gouge or no gouge and barrel condition after a few thousand rounds). The one with s/n 20120902 (featured in the Calibre magazine July/Aug issue).
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Your giving the T97 too much credit.
T97 is not the only $1000 unregistered, military style assault firearm out there.
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!!!??? WTF is a ''assault firearm'' im sorry but thats terrible wording you sound like the CBC or CNN . I think ''semi auto sporting rifle'' is a better more accurate term unless your going to use your rifle to ''assault'' things in full auto ''military style'' ..
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!!!??? WTF is a ''assault firearm'' im sorry but thats terrible wording you sound like the CBC or CNN . I think ''semi auto sporting rifle'' is a better more accurate term unless your going to use your rifle to ''assault'' things in full auto ''military style'' ..
Hey i'm just quoting it, it is not my wording. Read EVERYTHING before you start running your mouth off...
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all right all now what?i have a tinny nick in my 97 barrel--this one i bought new-2 weeks ago its unfired-i can give it back and one is on the way for my wife from wolverine---now if that has it it goes back--dont care what the explanations--ill just buy ronison arms--im sure the small nick is irrelevant but both new guns---
Mine certainly has it too. You can see they got a little carried away drilling the gas port. You'd think they'd have any jigs etc worked out since they sell the t97 to other countries and the qbz-97 is used by the Cambodian military (not that Cambodia screams quality but still). What're ya gonna do though. Doesnt seem to affect the function and, in terms of long term durability I didn't expect to hand it down to the next generation after me...and really my #### has yet to fall off as a result! I'll learn to live with it. I've got the clob rail and a Russian pk-01v red dot on it and I'm quite happy, even the ergos don't bother me much. I can flick the safety with it shouldered and operate the mag release without any major issues. It isn't a tavor but, hey my truck isn't a Porsche either.
We'll see how the "chip" plays out long term. At least now I know to keep an eye on it. Oh sn 1300139X for what it's worth and it isn't as bad. More of a little dip into the land than taking it out completely like the op's
We'll see how the "chip" plays out long term. At least now I know to keep an eye on it. Oh sn 1300139X for what it's worth and it isn't as bad. More of a little dip into the land than taking it out completely like the op's
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Uhhh is the Nork AR now the same gun as the T97?
Read the sticky here http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/976204-The-T97-Thread! first post has the info
they aren't, and they won't. And I'm sure any gun returned with gouge will get resold.
And nobody is saying $1000 is peanuts, its the guns themselves that are made cheaply with cheap components, and cheap labour, and a lot of people don't think they are worth $1000 regardless of the bullpup nr status.
Exactly! ...and it really Doesn't matter how 'small' your gouge is, when chrome is chipped, the steel underneath will start to corrode and the chrome will bubble up, and spread, and SPREAD just like cancer.
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No #### sherlock not running my mouth at you so fn chill , my frustration was directed at My Little Pony boy over there . Quoted the wrong quote .
it will be be tough to return our gouged t97s as most of us have it, of course if the importer decides to recall all t97s (most of the t97 at least as we are not sure if any out there are without the gouge) then that is the only way it can be done.
also it is like the first Ford I bought long ago, the bottom of the door was rusting after only 6 month (brand new car), took it back to the dealer for warranty, but I was told that if it didn't rust through the metal (so you can see the hole) it is not covered, it is surface rust and it doesn't affect your safety and the functionality of the car. So the gouge is not affecting the safety or the functionality of the t97, and our barrels are not rusting through the metal yet! Then IMO, the importer will not take it back or warranty it unless it is within the 7 days of the the original purchase date, also read the fine print '20-30%' restocking fee may be applied.
also it is like the first Ford I bought long ago, the bottom of the door was rusting after only 6 month (brand new car), took it back to the dealer for warranty, but I was told that if it didn't rust through the metal (so you can see the hole) it is not covered, it is surface rust and it doesn't affect your safety and the functionality of the car. So the gouge is not affecting the safety or the functionality of the t97, and our barrels are not rusting through the metal yet! Then IMO, the importer will not take it back or warranty it unless it is within the 7 days of the the original purchase date, also read the fine print '20-30%' restocking fee may be applied.
While I agree that these gouges are unnaceptable and should be corrected on future batches, I doubt there will be any performance/longevity issues due to them. Remember just opposite the gouge they drilled a hole RIGHT THROUGH THE BARREL... chrome and all. If the liner is going to fail I would imagine it would happen at the gas port hole anyways. This brings up another question.... do they chrome the bores before or after drilling the gas port hole? I'm not sure what the industry standard practice for this would be...
Haha, praise Lord Shmooze, my other T97 serial 3xx had a very tiny nick in it, even smaller than my 600 serial., in between the lands. Must have been because I asked for a KJV to be included with my order.
This makes me wonder, I think it's almost impossible to see the groove looking down the barrel or bore, I wonder if any other gas operated gun has this issue, but their owners just have not looked? I don't know, just posing the thought. I have never removed the gas tube on any of my ARs, not looked down the gas tport on any of the 858s I sold to old Mike in Canmore. Same goes with my SKSs (it's been a while, but can you even see down the gas port?).
Another thought, why are some posters so over dramatic about corrosion? Who is shooting corrosive .223 anyways? Most of the 858s in country are not chrome lined, and everyone runs corrosive ammo through them. I sold to Mike in Canmore an 858 with a horribly pitted chamber. I'll have to ask old Mike about the barrel, because I never looked very closely to see if it was pitted - I just shot it and ran a tone of seafoam deep creep through it. Besides leaving small bulges in the brass, it was a monster shooter - reliable and accurate.
I am curious what will happen if the chrome lining starts flaking off what will happen. How bad will it affect accuracy? After a while, will it flake off to the point where it stops and if so, does it really matter - it may well be the sights need adjustment and that's the end of it. I don't know - just thinking some on here are treating this as if it were the... Worst... Possible... Thing! (Y'all are lucky I'm on my phone, since that's a pony joke and when I get back to my desk I'll be putting up an image macro). Personally, I think all that matters is how it shoots, which personally after about 200 rounds, I am very satisfied with.
While it sucks, I thought the real benefits to chrome lining was resistance to primer residue from corrosive ammo (not a problem with .223) and barrel longevity under sustained, automatic fire (also not a problem).
While personally, I like the fact that the T97 is built off a platform intended to be a light machine gun, I just don't see myself personally running 600 rounds per minute through mine.
This makes me wonder, I think it's almost impossible to see the groove looking down the barrel or bore, I wonder if any other gas operated gun has this issue, but their owners just have not looked? I don't know, just posing the thought. I have never removed the gas tube on any of my ARs, not looked down the gas tport on any of the 858s I sold to old Mike in Canmore. Same goes with my SKSs (it's been a while, but can you even see down the gas port?).
Another thought, why are some posters so over dramatic about corrosion? Who is shooting corrosive .223 anyways? Most of the 858s in country are not chrome lined, and everyone runs corrosive ammo through them. I sold to Mike in Canmore an 858 with a horribly pitted chamber. I'll have to ask old Mike about the barrel, because I never looked very closely to see if it was pitted - I just shot it and ran a tone of seafoam deep creep through it. Besides leaving small bulges in the brass, it was a monster shooter - reliable and accurate.
I am curious what will happen if the chrome lining starts flaking off what will happen. How bad will it affect accuracy? After a while, will it flake off to the point where it stops and if so, does it really matter - it may well be the sights need adjustment and that's the end of it. I don't know - just thinking some on here are treating this as if it were the... Worst... Possible... Thing! (Y'all are lucky I'm on my phone, since that's a pony joke and when I get back to my desk I'll be putting up an image macro). Personally, I think all that matters is how it shoots, which personally after about 200 rounds, I am very satisfied with.
While it sucks, I thought the real benefits to chrome lining was resistance to primer residue from corrosive ammo (not a problem with .223) and barrel longevity under sustained, automatic fire (also not a problem).
While personally, I like the fact that the T97 is built off a platform intended to be a light machine gun, I just don't see myself personally running 600 rounds per minute through mine.
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Assume they are because the nork ar manual says 6000 Rounds too and I doubt their military rifle will be inferior to nork ar which is actually used in the military too ... Unless all export barrels are of lesser quality. Again we know nork ar are durable so the 6k must must be inaccurate or very conservative
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