Info on 5 rd Garand mag ???
- Thread starter gunsdora
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Just out of curiosity why would you be interested in a 5 round enbloc clip for the Garand? I use only 8's and still have a decent supply of originals so have not had to use any new production clips yet so I can't comment on if they are any good or not. Sorry!
I agree fully with this.... yet I am seeing more and more people at the range pop up with these 5 round...."Things"......
OccasionallyOnTarget
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Never heard about this before. Sounds retarded. Is there a reason?
Travis Bickle
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It's one of the few exemptions where you can have more than 5 rounds in a semi auto center fire.
Why would you want less?
I don't have any experience with them though, so my post is pretty pointless but still I have to ask why? lol
Why would you want less?
I don't have any experience with them though, so my post is pretty pointless but still I have to ask why? lol
The Wizard
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Not sure what the hunting regulations are in Canada but here in the U. S. A. most states require that rifles used to hunt only hold five (5) cartridges. Thus the need for a 5 round enbloc clip for the U. S. Rifle, caliber .30, M1. I personally would not use a M1 to hunt but I know of at least one person who does.
Just checked with the person who hunts with his M1 and he said he has several Aggressive Engineering Corp. 5 round M1 Garand clips. He has never has a problem with them. Said he got them from Midway USA.
Just checked with the person who hunts with his M1 and he said he has several Aggressive Engineering Corp. 5 round M1 Garand clips. He has never has a problem with them. Said he got them from Midway USA.
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Blastattack
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The M1 Garand is specifically exempted.
skeetgunner
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As a general rule of thumb, semi-automatic centre-fire rifles are limited to 5 rounds. The M1 Garand is exempted in the legislation/OIC specifically by name; thus 8-round enbloc clips are lawful for use. This may conflict with regional hunting regulations.
More specifically, here is all the information currently pertinent to "ONTARIO". Other provinces may have other regulations:
The ON. the hunting regs. refer you to the federal firearms regs. for ammo capacity. In the Federal regs., the Garand is specifically stated as being exempt from the 5 round max. for semi-auto centre fire and therefore in ON. it is totally legal for you to hunt with a full 8 round enbloc!!
From page 23 of the new 2012-2013 Ontario hunting regulationsI will have to check the page number of the current regs.:
"Under the Criminal Code of Canada you cannot possess any clip/magazine that holds more than five shots for a semi-automatic centre fire non-restricted firearm unless that clip/magazine has been specifically exempted, pursuant to the Firearms Regulations."
From the Canadian Firearms Regulations, Specifically"Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted"
Here:
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/r.../FullText.html
"3. (1) Any cartridge magazine
(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in..........snip.....
(b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.
(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that
(a) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that
(i) is chambered for, or designed to use, rimfire cartridges,
(ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing not more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or
(iii) is commonly known as the U.S. Rifle M1 (Garand) including the Beretta M1 Garand rifle, the Breda M1 Garand rifle and the Springfield Armoury M1 Garand rifle;
All that legal nonsense basically exempts the M1 Garand from having to be modified to only hold 5 rounds for shooting (all Provinces) and for hunting in Ontario and possibly others.
Therefore, it is fully legal to have 8 rounds out in the bush for deer hunting in Ontario. There are other provinces that strictly state in their hunting regulations that you can only have 5 rounds in a semi-auto, center fire rifle no matter what. That is where these 5 rounders are needed and are useful!
Sorry for the long winded posting, but I thought that I would give you the actual links and proof, rather than just "someone once told me" kind of info.
When I take an M1 out in the bush for deer, I have a copy of the hunting regulations with me and this page from the firearms regulations as well. That way any CO that stops you and has no idea of what a Garand even is, can read and see that you know what you are talking about and that it is perfectly legal. This info. may save you from having a really s**tty hunting trip if you are ever stopped for a check-up!
The ON. the hunting regs. refer you to the federal firearms regs. for ammo capacity. In the Federal regs., the Garand is specifically stated as being exempt from the 5 round max. for semi-auto centre fire and therefore in ON. it is totally legal for you to hunt with a full 8 round enbloc!!
From page 23 of the new 2012-2013 Ontario hunting regulationsI will have to check the page number of the current regs.:
"Under the Criminal Code of Canada you cannot possess any clip/magazine that holds more than five shots for a semi-automatic centre fire non-restricted firearm unless that clip/magazine has been specifically exempted, pursuant to the Firearms Regulations."
From the Canadian Firearms Regulations, Specifically"Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted"
Here:
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/r.../FullText.html
"3. (1) Any cartridge magazine
(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in..........snip.....
(b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.
(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that
(a) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that
(i) is chambered for, or designed to use, rimfire cartridges,
(ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing not more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or
(iii) is commonly known as the U.S. Rifle M1 (Garand) including the Beretta M1 Garand rifle, the Breda M1 Garand rifle and the Springfield Armoury M1 Garand rifle;
All that legal nonsense basically exempts the M1 Garand from having to be modified to only hold 5 rounds for shooting (all Provinces) and for hunting in Ontario and possibly others.
Therefore, it is fully legal to have 8 rounds out in the bush for deer hunting in Ontario. There are other provinces that strictly state in their hunting regulations that you can only have 5 rounds in a semi-auto, center fire rifle no matter what. That is where these 5 rounders are needed and are useful!
Sorry for the long winded posting, but I thought that I would give you the actual links and proof, rather than just "someone once told me" kind of info.
When I take an M1 out in the bush for deer, I have a copy of the hunting regulations with me and this page from the firearms regulations as well. That way any CO that stops you and has no idea of what a Garand even is, can read and see that you know what you are talking about and that it is perfectly legal. This info. may save you from having a really s**tty hunting trip if you are ever stopped for a check-up!
I bought my 5 rounders from Creedmoor Sports in the US. They are marked AEC 3, so they may be the same brand. Mine all work fine, same as all the 8 round clips I have.
Hunting is the main answer for me. Alberta limits all semi's to 5 rounds and the Garand doesn't get an exemption on that. The other thing mine are good for is our local service rifle shoots. The course of fire is 10 rounds sitting, 10 rounds offhand and 10 rounds kneeling behind a barricade. Using the 5 round clips is far easier than screwing with 8 rounds and having to unload between the 3 positions.
Mark
OH, actually.....
Service rifle with Multiple 10 round vollies.... That would mean you have to hand load 2 rounds.... or load 2 eight round clips and dump 6 between vollies. In this instance 5rd clips would be nice as well. (I hate thumbing single rounds down the pipe on the Garand.... if anyone knows an easy trick to it let me know)
Service rifle with Multiple 10 round vollies.... That would mean you have to hand load 2 rounds.... or load 2 eight round clips and dump 6 between vollies. In this instance 5rd clips would be nice as well. (I hate thumbing single rounds down the pipe on the Garand.... if anyone knows an easy trick to it let me know)
MauserMike
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No trick I know of and it is a good way to flirt with having a slam fire. The 5 rounders really simplify the farting around required in this instance.
In a normal magazine that would work, but the Garand has the clip fixed in place in the receiver and the follower/shell lifter pushes the rounds up through the clip from underneath so the stack of rounds must be able to move up relative to the clip. Our regs say:
The clip must not be able to hold more than 5 rounds or you are in trouble with a CO. Since the 5 rounders are easy and fairly cheap to buy they are the best choice for me. I know some make their own, but I don't have a huge pile of standard clips and don't want to lose any to a possible hack operation that results in a wrecked clip if I screw it up.
Mark
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"...new to the M1 Garand..." The M1 Rifle is exempt by name in the FA. Some Provinces do have a magazine restriction law for hunting that does apply though. Ontario does not.
Oh and the M1 Rifle is the only rifle you get to say 'clip' when speaking about its magazine capacity. It doesn't actually have a magazine. You should go here for free .pdf manuals too. Note the need for the provided UN & PW. No W's. http://biggerhammer.net/manuals/
"...personally would not use a M1 to hunt..." Other than the 5 round rule(CO have it?) and the weight, why not? Just curious.
Oh and the M1 Rifle is the only rifle you get to say 'clip' when speaking about its magazine capacity. It doesn't actually have a magazine. You should go here for free .pdf manuals too. Note the need for the provided UN & PW. No W's. http://biggerhammer.net/manuals/
"...personally would not use a M1 to hunt..." Other than the 5 round rule(CO have it?) and the weight, why not? Just curious.
Sorry, I didn't mean to leave the empty cartridges full length; they could be cut flush with clip, so as not to impede with the auto-ejection. This would also allow the correct stacking too. I can see where I failed to properly express my concept XO.
Cheers!
