Most popular 3 Gun shotgun set ups in Canada?
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Again, very true. But you can fairly easily build a reliable 870 with 11-round capacity using the newest "basic model" receivers (6 in the tube + 3 extension + 1 ghost + 1 chamber). And reliable pumps are A LOT cheaper than reliable semi autos.
Stage design can (and IMO too often does) nullify shotgun magazine capacity advantages. Personally, I like to see variety in competitive gear choices, so I like to see pumps having a significant advantage like mag capacity. It simplifies the game if there are limited options for "winning" setups.
Just the same, stage design can nullify any semi-auto shotgun advantage, too. Once shot a stage that had the shotgun start empty and had mandatory single-loads for every round, that was interesting. As a pump shooter, of course I'd like to see more of that, but for some reason it doesn't happen very often.
This whole idea of ghost loading, having one in the chamber. ...
'Only helps "if" the match/CoF allows it.
A match I recently shot limited all shotguns other than those in open to a mag capacity of eight.
Unless the shotgun was the first gun used in a CoF it had to have an empty chamber.
You guys relying on ghost loading and hot chambers are in for a rude awakening when you go shoot a match and find out it's not allowed
'Only helps "if" the match/CoF allows it.
A match I recently shot limited all shotguns other than those in open to a mag capacity of eight.
Unless the shotgun was the first gun used in a CoF it had to have an empty chamber.
You guys relying on ghost loading and hot chambers are in for a rude awakening when you go shoot a match and find out it's not allowed
arcticcathonda
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The biggest advantage in Canada to ghost loading with a semi (6+1+1) is if you start with the shotgun on a stage that is 8 or 9 shots - with a semi and ghost loading you may not need to reload at all (8 round stage) or simply have a quick tactical reload for the last shot, which will help you overall on that stage compared to someone who does need to reload 1 or 2 shells. This is likely to be at most 1 or 2 stages at most matches, so it is certainly not a major consideration for most people. With a pump, you are likely starting at 9 shells regardless so you are all on a level playing field.
I have found that I rarely need to ghost load in the US as I run a magazine extension to get to 10 rounds in the tube - since usually you can only load 9 to start regardless, ghost loading really doesn't come into the picture.
lonedrone
I have found that I rarely need to ghost load in the US as I run a magazine extension to get to 10 rounds in the tube - since usually you can only load 9 to start regardless, ghost loading really doesn't come into the picture.
lonedrone
how about a 1897 shotgun it slam fires and it's a pump so no limit on top of it...
I have a Fabarm Martel it holds 4 rounds 3 in the tube 1 in the chamber that's for 3 inch but if I shoot 2 3/4 buck shot and I picked the shortest shell I could find some are bigger and smaller then others then I can get 6 rounds into it by ghost loading 1 in. You can't load the gun like that unless you have plenty of time to fiddle with it before the match. If you go with a 20 inch pump you can get 9 rounds into most of them so it depends on what you want.
I have a Fabarm Martel it holds 4 rounds 3 in the tube 1 in the chamber that's for 3 inch but if I shoot 2 3/4 buck shot and I picked the shortest shell I could find some are bigger and smaller then others then I can get 6 rounds into it by ghost loading 1 in. You can't load the gun like that unless you have plenty of time to fiddle with it before the match. If you go with a 20 inch pump you can get 9 rounds into most of them so it depends on what you want.
Do you need tactical vest and tactical pants too to do quick tactical reloads?
Only for the tacti-cool reloads
lonedrone
my personal favorite is a Mossberg 500 with an extended tube. I prefer the Mossberg because it doesn't have that stupid "door" or "gate" that pretty much every other sg manufacturer tends to put on their guns. I have had a few malfunctions because I did not push the shell far enough into the mag to catch.
I have realised that a 13 round tube wont save you if you cant reload. more often than not you will need to reload sooner or later in a match and if you can slam 4 in there real quick, maybe a semi is faster.
I have realised that a 13 round tube wont save you if you cant reload. more often than not you will need to reload sooner or later in a match and if you can slam 4 in there real quick, maybe a semi is faster.
FreedomIsn'tFree
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Has anyone tried the mag fed Grizzly or seen anyone use one?
We had a shooter with an 8.5" one at our team match. Ran like a top. Sounded like a howitzer.
Having run both, they both have pluses and minuses (Mossberg 590A1 SPX, Mossberg 930 SPX)
Rather than re-iterating what was already stated here, I'll try to bring something new to the table
Recoil:
I find with the pump, it kicks abit harder, really gotta lean into it so I can get back onto target faster (this with a ported barrel). The Semi was like being punched by someone wearing pillows. You still feel it, but it is not as sharp and I was definitely back on target faster.
Loading:
Pump was easier to load, period. Did not have to fight the loading gate to get the rounds in and was not doing it as often. I am certain with an enlarged and lowered loading port, the pump would be much faster to load.
Awareness:
Despite all the practice, armed with a semi, you are just doing and thinking about less at the moment of the shot. Aim, squeeze, run as opposed to Aim, squeeze, rack, run. There is just less things to think about leaving you with more of your brain to focus on other things.
Adaptability:
I can get into more awkward positions with a semi and come out shooting than I could with a pump, ie: I shot a multi port barricade weak handed and did not miss.
Given all that has been said in this thread, I have seen people run pump far faster than I ever could. Those with time to devote to learn the skill are amazing and I only hope to be half as good as they are and I would be very happy.
Rather than re-iterating what was already stated here, I'll try to bring something new to the table
Recoil:
I find with the pump, it kicks abit harder, really gotta lean into it so I can get back onto target faster (this with a ported barrel). The Semi was like being punched by someone wearing pillows. You still feel it, but it is not as sharp and I was definitely back on target faster.
Loading:
Pump was easier to load, period. Did not have to fight the loading gate to get the rounds in and was not doing it as often. I am certain with an enlarged and lowered loading port, the pump would be much faster to load.
Awareness:
Despite all the practice, armed with a semi, you are just doing and thinking about less at the moment of the shot. Aim, squeeze, run as opposed to Aim, squeeze, rack, run. There is just less things to think about leaving you with more of your brain to focus on other things.
Adaptability:
I can get into more awkward positions with a semi and come out shooting than I could with a pump, ie: I shot a multi port barricade weak handed and did not miss.
Given all that has been said in this thread, I have seen people run pump far faster than I ever could. Those with time to devote to learn the skill are amazing and I only hope to be half as good as they are and I would be very happy.
