Titanium BCGs
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The type of AR its designed for doesn't have forward assist....
I'm not sure I get it really. Long range rapid fire? Specifically tailored reloads only, never any factory ammo? I guess playing around with barrel length, brakes and springs, carriers and buffers you could work out something that doesn't move off target?
I don't see it being ideal for any 3 gun type shooting, I'd prefer reliability of the heavier carriers.
Ahhh... I see. It's designed for a very specific type of AR. It makes sense, actually, now that I read a comparison of one of these rifles to an Indy car... Designed for performance, not necessarily longevity. With a rifle length gas system, the carrier isn't subject to the abuse that it would suffer in a carbine, so it can be slightly "under-engineered".
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As some have noted....a forward assist isn't typically used on a 3 gun rifle. I've taken to having a light carrier, adjustable gas system and lightened buffer in my AR to reduce recoil. Although I don't shoot reloads, I've noticed a dramatic decrease in muzzle flip. Add on a decent comp and the rifle doesn't move much at all.
I agree with others though, these modifications wouldn't make sense for many other purposes.
I agree with others though, these modifications wouldn't make sense for many other purposes.
I must disagree with this, as a reloader. When we setup our .223 dies, i set them up a little to high. Very rarely, but it did happen, a case or two would come out slightly too long. We never noticed because of the generous headspace in the Norcs, but my match HBAR would occasionally get one lodged in the chamber. It was not possible to retract the bolt with the charging handle but a good smack on the forward assist put the bolt into battery and I could manually reset the hammer. Once fired the case extracted without issue.
I realize that the reloading issue was my error but I was glad to have the forward assist to deal with it.
Why would you force a round into the chamber if it wouldn't feed under normal operation?
You can confirm a loaded round without disturbing the bolt, and thus inducing an out of battery condition. Try observing and feeling for which side the top round sits in a magazine. Chamber a round, remove magazine and confirm the top round has "switched sides". A chamber check is an administrative action so the whole "what if its dark?" argument is false, use a light to confirm. If using a light isn't an option for the situation then its no longer an admin load/reload and you've f**ked up. Nevertheless, a tactile touch of the top round will ensure you indeed have a loaded rifle.
You're right, the issue is your faulty reloading. Again, forcing a round into the chamber is a dumb idea, especially with reloads. If it won't chamber as intended, it shouldn't be consumed. If the bolt is mostly in battery then the extractor has a grasp of the rim. A mortar drill or "dirt bike" of the charge handle should extract the round. Failing that, a cleaning rod is the answer.
TDC
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You mean I can get my ar even flatter? JP lightened carrier and bolt with an adjustable gas block. Not going to war with it other than some long range steel. I like to run Federal Tactical 55gn and Hornady 75gn 556 Nato for the long stuff.
You mean I can get my ar even flatter? JP lightened carrier and bolt with an adjustable gas block. Not going to war with it other than some long range steel. I like to run Federal Tactical 55gn and Hornady 75gn 556 Nato for the long stuff.
I think there are a lot of other factors that could cause a short feed... Grime/fouling, poor lube, crappy mags... I agree you shouldn't use it to force anything into to chamber, but it's valuable if you want to ensure a proper feed. It's certainly not necessary at a target range, but I can see its usefulness in a combat situation, which is likely why forward assist was implemented on military rifles. The original M16 was "slab side", and if it functioned flawlessly, I doubt it ever would have been reengineered to have more moving parts.
The fa was required by the us mil it was not part of stoner's design. You're right, a lot of factors could cause a failure to feed. So why waste the effort diagnosing it when cycling the action and removing the offending round is faster and more productive.
Tdc
There was too much force required to retract the bolt by hand, however I could see how close it was to closing. I also immediately knew what the problem was so once the bolt closed all the way I was no longer concerned about discharging the cartridge. However it was in a controlled environment with no outside induced stress.
I do agree with you that forcing a round in to the chamber is not a good thing and it certainly isn't my standard practice.
I'm not sure that moving your hand from a supportive position, to the charging handle, is faster than wiggling your thumb on a button... Stay on target, and plunge the forward assist. I doubt it was designed to "assist" out of spec rounds into the chamber, either... It's meant to assist a "sticky" action, likely until there is an opportunity to diagnose a problem.
This is all a little off topic.
This is all a little off topic.
aren't all CGN threads after page 2? hahaha
I find that my NB coated BCG runs quite well with little to no wear on the receiver... I like it! And you are right, if you have the cash and wish to spend it, enjoy the spoils... Though, just be sure you are buying the right part, for the right firearm. The photo of the bolt-carrier on a drum of military ammunition is a little deceptive.
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