Ont.Deer tag

relic38 said:
Something you 'believe' irks you? Then don't believe it. These fees are intended to fund MNR operations, there's no evidence they go into general coffers. The tag fees are a small percentage of MNR operating costs anyway, which means it is funded from general coffers.
I'm pretty sure that if hunters had to front the actual cost of maintaining seasonal hunting in Ontario, tags would be a lot more than $47.
Just my $0.02.
Once I'm licensed, and ready next year, I'll be happy to fork it over for the chance to get out there. ;)
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Well put.

There is more to MNR then just COs. People often forget the research staff to determine the health of our game species, then the clerical staff to ensure both research and enforcement get payed.

Lets put this into perspective. $47 will pay, what, maybe 1 1/2 hours of work for a CO?
 
blasted_saber said:
MANY areas of Ontario have multiple tags available. Did you even check if your does?
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This is the first I've ever even heard of it being possible, I never thought to check because I wasn't aware it was an option. The process as I understood it from other local hunters and from my hunters ed course involved buying your deer license which gets you a single tag for one buck anywhere in the province. If you want an additional antlerless tag for a specific WMU you apply for it in the draw and hope for the best.
 
No

The draw gets you a doe endorsement for the license you bought.

One license that can now be used for buck or doe.

If you read the regs.....pause....you will find the section where they cover additional tags.
 
yomomma said:
No

The draw gets you a doe endorsement for the license you bought.

One license that can now be used for buck or doe.

If you read the regs.....pause....you will find the section where they cover additional tags.
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The last time this came up you posted and said:

In rifle areas tag = buck

Shotgun/black powder areas tag = bow tag for buck.

Must apply for the controlled hunt after or before buying tag to be able to shot buck or doe for shotgun/black powder.

Now I'm not sure what you mean, or I do understand it and I don't realize because I'm just confused. I haven't even bought my deer license (so I've never taken part in a draw either) as I have not heard 100% if the guys I got invited by are still going. I honestly have no clue what the process is now as I've heard different things from different people. I didn't think there would be that much ambiguity about the process.

I'm looking at the section for additional tags, it specifically states additional 'deer seal', not 'deer seals' but the next session says additional 'seals' come up for availability in October for specific WMU's, I guess I missed that part the first time I went through everything.

I was hoping once I get final word on the invite I could just go down to Service Ontario next week, buy my $46.17 deer license/tag and go hunting.
 
blasted_saber said:
Services have actually gone up.....you can now buy your tag online.

Im curious what other service you want with your deer tag? An employee to guide you out to the bush?
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They have virtually ceased to print paper copies of the regs... very few handed out this year, and I never even saw a copy.
Licences are now processed by an American company in Tennessee. So now all your personal information goes out of the country where it can be accessed by the U.S. government if they choose.
The outdoor card was supposed to replace paper licences... now we have to carry the card, PLUS a paper licence again, plus the tag.
You can no longer buy Ontario Base Maps from the MNR store... not sure about aerial photos.

... and that's just off the top of my head.

And licence fees do get funneled into general revenues, and it's been that way since the fishing licences were first introduced.
 
It is agreed the respective licence fees are cheap entertainment compared to other activities. However the government has cut the funding to the MNR so bad that they can barely function in any useful capacity. An example being they cut the printing of the hunting and fishing regulations and now want everyone to go online to read them. I was recently in the MNR office in Dryden and it is now a locked door facility with a selection on literature at the door which will hopefully answer your concern, if not you must make an appointment to speak to some one. H'mmm, do you think maybe there a little short staffed??

Typical government of the day smoke and mirrors, charge more, give them less, but give the illusion your giving more. The natural resources of all Canada's provinces and territories are our greatest asset, yet we spend very little in comparison on it's well being and proper management. In Ontario the Ministry of Natural Resources is but a very faint shadow of it's former self, all due to drastic and continuous yearly spending cuts.

The simple answer is to increase the MNR's budget handsomely, but how?? We all know there is enough government waste of general funds that if it was properly managed the MNR could have the funding of it's dreams but reality will not permit that. So the average hunter and fisherman will pay more, get less, and we will be thankful, as it is still cheap entertainment, but there will come a point it will not be.
 
9.3mauser said:
And licence fees do get funneled into general revenues, and it's been that way since the fishing licences were first introduced.
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How quickly some forget this little lesson of being 'conned' by the government. Fishing used to be free in this province......'The money collected from licenses will go directly back to maintain the fishery'. Yeah, right.
 
sorry. I will try to clarify

Sorry again....something hicupped and I corrected

You get to purchase one deer seal(we will get to the exception in a minute). you can use it for bow, rifle, or controlled hunt. One tag(seal)

Now you can apply to have this tag validated for doe in rifle areas. You can also apply to use this tag in controlled hunts.

So if a person does all his applying to the draws and is succesfull at all of them a hunter may take ONE deer (doe or buck) during the bow season OR the rifle season OR the controlled hunt.


Additional tags. Some WMU issue extra seals if the deer population is unusually high in that area. Restrictions may be placed on these seals.

For instance WMU 88(IIRC) is a bow only WMU. You can buy a license. This is good for bucks. You can apply for the doe draw and get the license endorsed for doe. So now you have a buck/doe bow license good for ONE deer. In the past you also had the option of buying 5 additional BOW ONLY seals good for WMU88 ONLY.


You also have the option to apply for a controlled hunt with the originally bought license

So this is where things get interesting. The first tag is now good for Bow (all WMU for buck/WMU88 for buck/doe,) or for Rifle (all WMU where rifle is allowed, buck) or controlled hunt if you get chosen. The five extra tags you bought for WMU 88 are only good for WMU 88.

The other option

With the first tag you apply for a rifle doe tag and for a controlled hunt. You still buy 5 more BOW ONLY dags for WMU88

Assuming you are successfull at getting drawn for everything

Your first tagis now good for buck/doe in rifle area OR controlled hunt OR bow hunting Buck only. You can use your 5 additional tags for BOW ONLY in WMU88.
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last option...you buy a tag apply for nothing.

This tag will be good for a buck during bow season OR a buck during rifle season, nothing else


It does get very interesting if you live in an area that has all three situations. Once you get your seal it will tell you what it is good for.


Complicated huh!

ReVoR said:
The last time this came up you posted and said:

In rifle areas tag = buck

Shotgun/black powder areas tag = bow tag for buck.

Must apply for the controlled hunt after or before buying tag to be able to shot buck or doe for shotgun/black powder.

Now I'm not sure what you mean, or I do understand it and I don't realize because I'm just confused. I haven't even bought my deer license (so I've never taken part in a draw either) as I have not heard 100% if the guys I got invited by are still going. I honestly have no clue what the process is now as I've heard different things from different people. I didn't think there would be that much ambiguity about the process.

I'm looking at the section for additional tags, it specifically states additional 'deer seal', not 'deer seals' but the next session says additional 'seals' come up for availability in October for specific WMU's, I guess I missed that part the first time I went through everything.

I was hoping once I get final word on the invite I could just go down to Service Ontario next week, buy my $46.17 deer license/tag and go hunting.
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ReVoR said:
I was hoping once I get final word on the invite I could just go down to Service Ontario next week, buy my $46.17 deer license/tag and go hunting.
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And that is what you'll do. If you want to hunt an antlered deer, go buy a tag - good for any WMU. If you want a doe/antlerless tag, it will be specific to a certain WMU. The draw is to determine who gets these tags, because some areas are overpopulated and more tags, and some are underpopulated and less tags; so it is on a yearly basis that it is determined how many tags are given for these ones.
So ask the person at the service desk if "enter WMU", has any doe/antlerless tags left an they will let you know. The draw is to get first dibs, but as said, some areas dont sell out and they have extras for sale afterwards.
 
Ok...that makes more sense now, though it's indeed complicated.

I wish I knew where exactly they plan on hunting near Calabogie...it looks like it could be WMU 58, 59 or 63A...then I'd be able to ask about additional tags. I asked my buddy at work who gave me the invite and he's not even sure himself, just that it's 'near Calabogie' lol. They never get doe tags so I guess it's never been an issue where exactly they hunt. I suppose if they don't end up going I can still buy a license and go hunting on my own locally (WMU 65), I'll just have to break out the 12 gauge instead of one of my rifles. I really don't want to waste the week I booked off work for this.

Thanks guys.
 
This should help with additional deer tags

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@oc/documents/document/stdprod_097695.pdf

Looks like there are no additional tags available in the WMUs you listed


ReVoR said:
Ok...that makes more sense now, though it's indeed complicated.

I wish I knew where exactly they plan on hunting near Calabogie...it looks like it could be WMU 58, 59 or 63A...then I'd be able to ask about additional tags. I asked my buddy at work who gave me the invite and he's not even sure himself, just that it's 'near Calabogie' lol. They never get doe tags so I guess it's never been an issue where exactly they hunt. I suppose if they don't end up going I can still buy a license and go hunting on my own locally (WMU 65), I'll just have to break out the 12 gauge instead of one of my rifles. I really don't want to waste the week I booked off work for this.

Thanks guys.
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9.3mauser said:
They have virtually ceased to print paper copies of the regs... very few handed out this year, and I never even saw a copy.
Licences are now processed by an American company in Tennessee. So now all your personal information goes out of the country where it can be accessed by the U.S. government if they choose.
The outdoor card was supposed to replace paper licences... now we have to carry the card, PLUS a paper licence again, plus the tag.
You can no longer buy Ontario Base Maps from the MNR store... not sure about aerial photos.

... and that's just off the top of my head.

And licence fees do get funneled into general revenues, and it's been that way since the fishing licences were first introduced.
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All of this was done to save money. MNR is on a shoe string budget.
 
canthitathing said:
I believe license fees go to general coffers which really irks me,
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I was under the impression that in ON, hunters pay for all our conservation/provincial parks/trails everything to do with the outdoors.
This always warmed my heart when listening to my anti-hunting friends moan about the inhumanity of it all, while they stroll through Algonquin trying to find a cell signal. :)
 
If anyone owns over 50 acres or anyone in their direct family owns more than 50 acres then they can purchase a deer land owners tag for $27.28. It's a bit of a savings unless you have to cough up the money to purchase the 50acres.
 
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