My T97NSR with handguard RIS installed
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Someone who will get $10 rails made and sell them as military hardware for $300+
I would not be surprised if a M14.CA copy shows up soon.
I'm pretty sure you are confused. The ftu is a whole new upper for the t97nsr. It is not made in China. It's made in canada. I still think it's silly tho.
No sir, a copy of this part is not being planned. It does not have the same utility as the T97.ca FTU.
For example:
1) Unlike FTU, you cannot field strip the rifle and maintain optics zero
2) Unlike FTU, you cannot field strip the rifle without removing the rail entirely
3) Unlike FTU, it adds significant weight to the forearm (there is virtually no net weight gain with FTU due to the removal of handguard and iron sight posts)
4) Unlike FTU, it is not an "optically precise" part, nor are fasteners double-locked with set screws (the FTU is horizontally adjustable and then locked in place during installation for an ultimately reliable fitment)
5) Unlike FTU, you cannot mount a rifle scope
6) Unlike FTU, you cannot mount a red dot in line with the bore (you could use a 45 deg. offset mount for some red dots only)
7) Unlike FTU, it is unlikely to hold zero due to method of attachment to plastic forearm
8) Unlike FTU, it does not offer a long sight plane
9) Unlike FTU, the 3 and 9 o'clock picatinny rails may not be optically precise (the FTU uses the same track and boss method of attachment as the Blackfeather RS, therefore, the picatinny rails at 3 and 9 o'clock cannot move out of alignment)
10) Unlike FTU, it does not offer an option for a side charging handle or an option for a non-reciprocating charging handle, two desirable options for a bullpup rifle
11) Unlike FTU, it does not lower the line of sight
The one function offered here over the FTU is the 6 o'clock picatinny rail, which would afford you the ability to add a vertical foregrip; a desirable option, one that is also easily installed with almost any length of $20 picatinny rail. The poor planning and poor design that went into this part is not something we will ever emulate. Our next project will be a new Lower for the T97NSR that will be 100% compatible with our Flat Top Upper.
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Ya, I am not surprised by the price tag on the FTU, being made in a Canada doesn't make it cheap. Definitely costs more than a lot would like to spend. The price is similar in comparison to some of the handguards on a vz58... where your handguards are worth about a 1/3 of the rifles original cost or more.
richco_outdoors, do you have a estimated arrival and price for your product?
richco_outdoors, do you have a estimated arrival and price for your product?
This above statement is incorrectly comprised: the FTU is attached to two stanchions that are already available on the rifle. Original barrel harmonics are not affected adversely, quite the opposite. The T97.ca FTU will improve the accuracy of the T97NSR, if you do your part. Here is a quick edit of a recent range target.
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Do you guys actually produce any parts that are used by a military? What exactly classifies something as a military grade part? Or are you throwing around buzzwords to make a sale?
Yes, the Blackfeather RS will be undergoing range trials in Europe within 2 months. Your second question; quality, precision, critical testing, operational dynamics, features, warrant, design intent, reliability.
Are you guys developing a lower that would offer some 6 o'clock rails and maybe an integrated forearm like the other versions of t97 I've seen some pics of? That'd be pretty sweet. Will you be able to install your lower without your upper installed? Lol call me crazy but I like the upper on the t97. I'd really like a lower with an angle fire grip and a rail though. I'd definitely be a customer
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I sold him that light on flee bay. Thatz why he is happyThat hand-guard not for airsoft, design by a Chinese company called "Defender", they design to fit T95.
We will bring new design which design for T97NSR
As anyone who is in any procurement situation knows not to open there mouth cause if it fails testing and is not awarded a contract can be almost as publicly embarrassed as bad as the mayor of Toronto.
Are you guys developing a lower that would offer some 6 o'clock rails and maybe an integrated forearm like the other versions of t97 I've seen some pics of? That'd be pretty sweet. Will you be able to install your lower without your upper installed? Lol call me crazy but I like the upper on the t97. I'd really like a lower with an angle fire grip and a rail though. I'd definitely be a customer
Yes to first question. Yes to second question. Planning stage right now. There are 9 specific features that a new Lower will offer from T97.ca. This part is not ready for an open forum discussion, however, keep in mind, the FTU will be 100% compatible with any new Lower we design.
You still haven't answered NavyCuda's question. What makes your product "military grade"? Are you saying the materials or design specs are per mil spec from some military who is requesting such a product? Of the five nations who apparently use the rifle(according to Wikipedia that would be China, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Cambodia, and Myanmar) which one is requesting this product? Based on your first response to NavyCuda, your product is NOT in service, it is simply scheduled to be "undergoing trials in Europe within 2 months". Which is odd, seeing as how no one in Europe is running a Type 97/95.
TDC
My mistake, late night and early morning has left my comprehension skills lacking. The fact still remains that none of your products are in service with any military. So how can you claim your products are "military grade"??
Your term of "military grade" has zero merit. It is based on nothing but your own interpretation of what is or is not "military grade". That kind of marketing IMO is shallow and breads distrust. On another avenue, can you explain what makes the FTU "dramatically improve" the handling of the type 97? I believe Stevo asked this question 2 pages back.
TDC
ETA: With regards to m14.ca's price on these FTU's, the price is more than reasonable for non offshore built product. Quality gear costs money.
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