My T97NSR with handguard RIS installed

Anyone that says ANY Norinco is as good or better then its US made equivalent has either never owned one, or can only afford Norks and never held or shot something decent.
The Nork AR is argueably the best gun they make, and its out of spec with a #### painted finish and sloppy fit.
 
bjs7293 said:
And what do you base your facts on, here say and innuendo. Pretty sad when you can tell it how it is when you have not had a lick of experience with "Norinco" or any Chinese product. Just another Internet warrior basing his facts on what some other people say and can't confirm fact or fiction.........
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Between my time spent working at a range, selling guns and gear as well as my experience shooting said garbage and observing numerous copies on course and at matches SH@t the bed. I would say my statements are more soundly based on facts compared to the blind norc love so many subscribe to. As mentioned by anothe poster, if you think a moec copy is as good as the original. You've either never owned/handled the original or are bitter because you don't.

No one is bitter because they don't own a norc. In fact I've never heard of or met anyone who has sold their original gun to buy a norc copy because it was "just as good, but costs less" than the original. I have met many who've gone the other way and dumped their norcs.

Tdc
 
mg4201 said:
Work done to the NP30 owned by my smith. Trigger job and a magwell. I know this because after shooting his gun I said " I want you to build a copy for me exactly the same". Which he did. If weekly matches are not sufficient to guage reliability I can't think what would be. It certainly exceeds your 100 rounds a year shooter example. I think using reason and logic to argue this point with you is a waste of time. Haters gonna hate.
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Try 500-1000 rounds a range trip for a change. That to me is a reasonable amount of ammo to go through in one trip.

What reason and logic have you used? So a smith can keep a crap gun running. Who would have thought? A good mechanic can keep a lada running. Doesn't stop the lada from being a #### car.

mg4201 said:
I disagree. Norinco makes a good product. their AR's for example are better than some domestically produced rifles. The m305 product is as good as any made in the US. The 1911 product line is outstanding and well thought of by Wilson combat owner Bill Wilson. My np30 has been a flawless performer for me. I have put thousands of rounds through it without a single failure that was the fault of the pistol (squibs). My gunsmith shoots an np30 in IPSC matches every single week and has no complaints. My jw15 has been totally reliable and quite accurate considering the heavy trigger ( only about 600 rounds through this rifle). It likes blazers and dynas. My norinco SKS has been totally reliable and a deadly deer rifle (with softpoint ammo of course). I own three of norinco's products and would buy a t97 without hesitation.
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Wanna validate that statement? If your norc ar performs better than my core15 you can have it, then flip it on the ee for profit. The m305 is a joke compared to most of the us made m14s. Th 1911. I'm not even gonna go there. SKS there is another one I'm just not gonna touch.

Evil_Edie said:
In many cases people who are completely satisfied won't even give you the hurray because thats the reason they bought it, no surprises to celebrate.
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Welcome to my P30L and my USP. I don't need to hurray it for working. Because it's expected of them to work. Nobody buys a porsche 911 turbo then tries to justify it. That is the benchmark. Same case here.

I won't excuse it but it is partially arguable that the sks or some of their other inexpensive firearm made by them doesn't work. But a 1k rifle? It should work no modifications no questions asked.

And can someone explain how it is reasonable to ask 1000 for a rifle that cannot mount optics on it out of the box without modifications?
 
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regardless of what ^ says i'll be getting one. I got to try one out which a friend of mine owns and it ran flawlessly with any of the mags he stuck into it, no modifications of any kind. accurate too, grouped about as well as any AR i've shot. in anycase anyone whos happy with theirs or guys like me who intend to get them regardless, wouldn't it just be easier to ignore ^? he'll eventually get bored and leave and its not like we haven't seen enough back and forth with his type in any norc related thread anyhow.

he can call up all the complaint threads he wants but the fact is the people who are happy with their product is going to say, "hurray" once and be done with it. its the folks with a faulty product that will raise a stink long enough to get noticed. so regardless of how good a product actually is, if you're out looking for potential problems to keep an eye out for, chances are the product is going to look like a huge risk. In many cases people who are completely satisfied won't even give you the hurray because thats the reason they bought it, no surprises to celebrate.
 
ztunelover said:
Try 500-1000 rounds a range trip for a change. That to me is a reasonable amount of ammo to go through in one trip.

What reason and logic have you used? So a smith can keep a crap gun running. Who would have thought? A good mechanic can keep a lada running. Doesn't stop the lada from being a #### car.




Wanna validate that statement? If your norc ar performs better than my core15 you can have it, then flip it on the ee for profit. The m305 is a joke compared to most of the us made m14s. Th 1911. I'm not even gonna go there. SKS there is another one I'm just not gonna touch.



Welcome to my P30L and my USP. I don't need to hurray it for working. Because it's expected of them to work. Nobody buys a porsche 911 turbo then tries to justify it. That is the benchmark. Same case here.

I won't excuse it but it is partially arguable that the sks or some of their other inexpensive firearm made by them doesn't work. But a 1k rifle? It should work no modifications no questions asked.

And can someone explain how it is reasonable to ask 1000 for a rifle that cannot mount optics on it out of the box without modifications?
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You don't have to modify a t97nsr to mount optics on it. All of my norincos function very well and did not need modification to work. If you can't pick the logic out of my post then there is not much I can do to clarify it for you. Read the post again. Did I say that the norc was better than all domestic ARs? nope never did. what can I say? Haters gonna hate.
 
mg4201 said:
You don't have to modify a t97nsr to mount optics on it. All of my norincos function very well and did not need modification to work. If you can't pick the logic out of my post then there is not much I can do to clarify it for you. Read the post again. Did I say that the norc was better than all domestic ARs? nope never did. what can I say? Haters gonna hate.
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So the t97 has a built in pic rail? How do you put an acog on?

And didn't you say you had your np30 tweaked by your smith?
 
mg4201 said:
adding a rail isn't a modification IMO. My NP30 worked just fine before the trigger job and magwell .
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Did a rail come with the rifle? Is there an option when you order it from the factory to have rail? Or do you have to purchase it separately from an aftermarket company/gun shop?
 
Rail is separate, but pointless, as it puts the optic way to high for any kind of effective use. Part of the #### design arguement LOL
 
Hitzy said:
Rail is separate, but pointless, as it puts the optic way to high for any kind of effective use. Part of the #### design arguement LOL
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That's beside the point. Thats the second wave of shytestorm about this thing.

My point is why is a 1k rifle not optics ready from the start? I'm seeing thread after thread of people trying and setting up suboptimal optic setups. And in some instances like this the price goes up with the upgrades to some 1400-1500. Which is definitely no longer an inexpensive rifle under any line of logic. on top if you go with the handguard, I am reading that the front sight must be removed for a ftu. So now you have to purchase additional buis. Let's say you bought decent irons, thats what another 100? Now this "inexpensive" rifle is going into daniel defense and other premium ar money territory.

And you still have the subpar build quality, wonky ergonomics/manual of arms to deal with. When you chuck out 4 figures for a rifle you shouldn't have to wonder whether it works. No rolling the dice it needs to work. and work well.
 
ztunelover said:
Did a rail come with the rifle? Is there an option when you order it from the factory to have rail? Or do you have to purchase it separately from an aftermarket company/gun shop?
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Where you get the rail doesn't make it a modification. And there is a rail made in China for the t97. It just wasn't brought in by North Sylva.
 
Am I wrong in thinking that spending all your budget on the gun and leaving nothing or little for optics is not logical (if you want optics)? Kind of like buying a awd car for your wife to drive in the winter, but not buying winter tires because they are expensive..
If your gun budget is 1k, you should spend more like 500 on the gun and 500 on optics? I dunno, this is what I read in optics write ups. So if you bought the t97, your total budget should have been in the 2k range? I could be wrong, I'm a newb.

Got to get out to the range with my new 97 yesterday. Ran awsome, pmag, lar15 mags, norinco mag.. No FTF no FTE.. Fun little rifle. Even got the wife to run a few mags through it! I am happy price wise, I don't expect to pay k car price and get Cadillac quality.
 
mg4201 said:
Where you get the rail doesn't make it a modification. And there is a rail made in China for the t97. It just wasn't brought in by North Sylva.
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Actually a definition of a modification is anything that is revised or added on top of the factory supplied hardware. So yes it is a modification. So how much are rail add ons?
 
If you replace any non consumable part with another that was not from the manufacture when the item was delivered, it has been modified.

Consumable parts would be magazines and wear items.
 
ztunelover said:
Actually a definition of a modification is anything that is revised or added on top of the factory supplied hardware. So yes it is a modification. So how much are rail add ons?
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So you would agree that a carry handle AR needs to be modified to accept optics?.
 
Marc05 said:
Am I wrong in thinking that spending all your budget on the gun and leaving nothing or little for optics is not logical (if you want optics)? Kind of like buying a awd car for your wife to drive in the winter, but not buying winter tires because they are expensive..
If your gun budget is 1k, you should spend more like 500 on the gun and 500 on optics? I dunno, this is what I read in optics write ups. So if you bought the t97, your total budget should have been in the 2k range? I could be wrong, I'm a newb.

Got to get out to the range with my new 97 yesterday. Ran awsome, pmag, lar15 mags, norinco mag.. No FTF no FTE.. Fun little rifle. Even got the wife to run a few mags through it! I am happy price wise, I don't expect to pay k car price and get Cadillac quality.
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Some may agree with that. But I don't. When I get my xcr I only plan on spending 400-500 on optics. Not 2500... That's just me though lol
 
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