Ltatt bs

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So i called the hotline with questions about LTATT. found out another tidbit that is really annoying. Just got my RPAL, Just joined a gun range. so theoretically i should be good for roughly 5 year LTATT right.... WRONG!!! as it turns out, the nice lady told me i have to re-apply everytime my range membership needs renewing... which is yearly. this is BS, anyone got diferent info than I did? :mad:

the need to renew comes when your range membership or RPAL expires, whichever comes first!!
 
I think it depends on the province. There seems to be no constancy what so ever. Some will argue and I tend to agree that there is no reason why they ask for this you should be able to just pay drop in prices at a range and never be a member. I dont know why they make people pay up to $200 or more sometimes less a year if they only plan on shooting 2 or 3 times. It is just like you stated BS.
 
Mine, in Edmonton like you, expires in 2017. Albeit with the fine print that it is only valid so long as I am a member in good standing of a club. I've always interpreted that as meaning that the LTATT becomes inactive during such a time as I am not a club member during the duration of the LTATT, and then it becomes active once again upon becoming a member. After all, if it meant that the LTATT is revoked upon no longer being a club member then it would say so.
 
Stevebot-7 said:
Mine, in Edmonton like you, expires in 2017. Albeit with the fine print that it is only valid so long as I am a member in good standing of a club. I've always interpreted that as meaning that the LTATT becomes inactive during such a time as I am not a club member during the duration of the LTATT, and then it becomes active once again upon becoming a member. After all, if it meant that the LTATT is revoked upon no longer being a club member then it would say so.
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Im in edmonton too, and i am looking over the application for long term. It doesnt ask anywhere for the expiry date of membership. So theoretically as long as i keep my membership in good standing i wont be breaking any rules if i put dates for roughly the next 5 years?

Also i see i have the option to add other ranges as destinations. Do i just keep adding more ranges for the ability to take a handgun to more than one range? I want to visit 2 or 3 sometimes.
 
Your ltatt is good for five years and all you need is to be a club member when renewing. Just send a copy of your range membership to them and your all good
 
I was talking to a friend about this the other day in reference to the Colorado shooting. He mentioned that the shooter had applied to be a member at a range and was turned down because the range felt he was wacko. So in Canada he may not have been able to acquire some weapons. Perhaps this policy of no membership no restricted ATT acts a a screen. If you were on the executive of a range and a wack job came looking for a membership would you give him one. Just a thought. Do we as responsible gun owners have a responsibility to self-police for the crazies out there?
 
fortis risk said:
Do we as responsible gun owners have a responsibility to self-police for the crazies out there?
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If it's not a legal obligation in all places, I think it would be a wise moral obligation as a responsible gun owner, without it being "self-policing".

In Quebec, it's a legal obligation. All perspective shooters who want to own restricted firearms have to pass another course, known as the "law 9 course". Section 46.43 of Law 9 states the following:

Un membre d’un club de tir ou un utilisateur d’un champ de tir est tenu de signaler, sans délai, au titulaire d’un permis de club de tir ou de champ de tir qu’il fréquente, ou à la personne qui en est responsable, tout comportement d’un autre membre ou utilisateur susceptible de compromettre sa sécurité ou celle d’autrui avec une arme à feu.
La personne qui agit de bonne foi, conformément aux présentes dispositions, ne peut être poursuivie en justice.
Nul ne peut dévoiler ou être contraint de dévoiler l’identité d’une personne qui a agi conformément à ces dispositions[...]
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Essentially, the provincial law says that any club member must advise a shooting club's employee of any other person's suspicious behavior, which leads the club member to think that this person may compromise others' or their own safety with a firearm. The employee must then inform the police, under section 46.31.

Neither the club member nor the club employee can be sued if they acted in good faith, and their names cannot be revealed.
 
turbo_bird said:
Your LTATT should be good for all ranges in Alberta.
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That's a good point you make. I chatted about particularly this matter with an officer. Big grey area. We brainstormed the following scenario: Say you were a club member in southern Alberta and wanted to visit a friend in Edmonton, planning on visiting his club range. You transport your guns and you get stopped by law enforcement along the trip (reasons for that may be diverse and unanticipated). It is discovered that you have restricted firearms in the car.

LEO: "Where are you taking the guns?".
You: "Going shooting with a friend in Edmonton, Sir".
LEO: "Can I see your registration or invitation to a shooting event, or your day pass?".
You: "Sorry, don't have an invitation and don't have a day pass yet, I just want to meet my friend and shoot a little."
LEO: "How do I know you are not lying? Why wouldn't you just shoot at your home club?! Without any evidence that your story is genuine, I must assume that you are unlawfully transporting restricted firearms".

You see where this could go. The officer can easily construe that you are transporting your guns on a whim. In the discussion, we came to no solid ground as to what is lawful transportation and what is not. There is nothing in the law or on your LTATT to prevent an officer to go that route. In that case it would be up to you to explain the situation to a judge. Technically we concluded, that the clause on the LTATT that says "to any range, border crossing, or gunsmith in Alberta", granting you a certain level of subjectivity, may be inconsistent with transport limitations stipulated by legislation.

We decided that the situation becomes blurrier with increasing distance between your home (=storage) address and the range you are visiting. For example, what happens to your guns on trips longer than 1 day? Is it legit to take your guns into a motel, because you can't make it home from shooting in one day? The part of the law that says "on a direct route between your home and a range" is totally undefined.

While I felt totally at ease with respect to my LTATT letting me transport my restricteds to any range province-wide, I no longer feel this way after our discussion.

Any judges or lawyers out there with any insights?
 
Mine is crapy just like yours, for some reason they have mine ending in 2015 though even though my membership ends this year in 2014, and mine was only issued last summer in 2013, So mine was issued for a total of 2 years, it does not coincide with my PAL or my Membership, it does line right up with the Election next year though!

I think there planning something for us!!!
 
fortis risk said:
I was talking to a friend about this the other day in reference to the Colorado shooting. He mentioned that the shooter had applied to be a member at a range and was turned down because the range felt he was wacko. So in Canada he may not have been able to acquire some weapons. Perhaps this policy of no membership no restricted ATT acts a a screen. If you were on the executive of a range and a wack job came looking for a membership would you give him one. Just a thought. Do we as responsible gun owners have a responsibility to self-police for the crazies out there?
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In a word "yes"!
 
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