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sergey96 said:
2. When and how fast those be here and in what quantities depends on the person who wins this bid. It is 190 000 rifles that I know of available right now. In total there is 800 000 rifles that stored in surplus warehouses.
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We need all of them. That would refresh the market good.
 
Price will depend on what the winner of the bid is willing to pay for it. I heard what all of you said. I bought Mosin before and everyone was so enthusiastic to buy those, but not everyone was willing to pay for it. M1 Garands will be the same story. Unless it is dirt cheap no one will buy those. Only if those are in good shape then top dollars would be paid.
 
sergey96 said:
Price will depend on what the winner of the bid is willing to pay for it. I heard what all of you said. I bought Mosin before and everyone was so enthusiastic to buy those, but not everyone was willing to pay for it. M1 Garands will be the same story. Unless it is dirt cheap no one will buy those. Only if those are in good shape then top dollars would be paid.
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The way I see it, is distributers should look at it like the Steam model of sales (i.e. Valve's PC distribution platform):

1. Buy as many as you possibly can
2. Sell them as cheap as you can
3. By selling them cheap, you are putting it into a price range most people can't say no to, nor can they not afford, therefor reaching a price-prohibitive customer base that would have otherwise not bought anything
4. You sell exponentially more keeping the prices low, refreshing your inventory constantly

Selling 10,000 rifles you bought for $300 at $500 in one week.

Versus "the K98 model"

1. Bring in limited quantities at a time
2. Sell them for ridiculous prices
3. By buying them from the supplier (Russia) for ridiculous prices, you are therefor less likely to sell a small amount of rifles within a short period
4. You sit on a bunch of rifles for a long time negating a small portion of your investment while they sit in your inventory.

Selling 10,000 rifles you bought for $300 at $800 in five months.

Which makes more business sense? I'd say the former. But then again, I'm not a firearms importer.
 
That sums up most of CGN perfectly Sergey......enthusiastic to buy....not willing to pay!

sergey96 said:
Price will depend on what the winner of the bid is willing to pay for it. I heard what all of you said. I bought Mosin before and everyone was so enthusiastic to buy those, but not everyone was willing to pay for it. M1 Garands will be the same story. Unless it is dirt cheap no one will buy those. Only if those are in good shape then top dollars would be paid.
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sparkymacker said:
That sums up most of CGN perfectly Sergey......enthusiastic to buy....not willing to pay!
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It's one thing to be enthusiastic about a rifle without being told what it costs, and it's another entirely to bring them in and say "alright guys, I know you wanted these, but they are this much" which was the case here.

Yes, we were all enthusiastic about M38's and M44's coming in. $625 is too much for most of us though, even if they are the last batch out in the wild. It's great West Rifle was able to source them for those that could afford, but let's not insult the CGN userbase with scenario's that DIDN'T happen. I can guarantee you if Sergey had known their landed cost and posted it in the Mosin thread, there would be a lot less interest than there was.
 
sergey96 said:
Wow so many ideas for weekend talk.
1. M1 Garands are coming to Canada one way or another. Who will bring them and how much those will be sold for it depends on Importer. There is 4 importers that submitted a bid for those rifles as far as I know.
2. When and how fast those be here and in what quantities depends on the person who wins this bid. It is 190 000 rifles that I know of available right now. In total there is 800 000 rifles that stored in surplus warehouses.


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Thanks for keeping pedestrians like us informed of such things.

I can't wait to see those rifles hit the market here. I am amping myself up for some impulse buying.
 
more than 8-900$ and they will be stuck with there rifle !!

500-600..... max-max-max 700$... and people will buy it....

Just remember the CZ858.... they sold 7000-8000 rifle... but the gun was à 699....
The t97... 1000-1100... they sold maybe 2000 rifle.... MAX.....
Moisin Nagant... 10-15-20 000 rifles... and they was cheap !!!

There is a lot of gun nutz in canada.... but there is also a maximum of money people can pay !!!!
 
Duff350 said:
more than 8-900$ and they will be stuck with there rifle !!

500-600..... max-max-max 700$... and people will buy it....

Just remember the CZ858.... they sold 7000-8000 rifle... but the gun was à 699....
The t97... 1000-1100... they sold maybe 2000 rifle.... MAX.....
Moisin Nagant... 10-15-20 000 rifles... and they was cheap !!!

There is a lot of gun nutz in canada.... but there is also a maximum of money people can pay !!!!
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I do not disagree with your comment as far as it goes, but you have to qualify it with the condition of rifle you want for that price. Yes, most people want one and at least a shooter so $600- $800 for ok to nice shooters lets say for argument sake, then there are less folks who would chuck as much as $2000 for out of crate new rifle in mint unfired condition! The parts guns too would sell quite well I think. Based on the replies here, it looks like bringing in the mid grade rifles is where most interest is, and I believe it is because we think that is probably what we will be able to afford! Maybe we will be pleasantly surprised! The number $300 is being thrown around as the per gun price that was bid!? I don't know if that is even close but just for a number to work with, so say a shooter cost them $300 and add in transport and permits etc. so they sell for $600-$800, I would guess they pay double for the mint ones so $600 and same transport overhead but could likely get $2000 a copy.. However there would not be near as many Canadians that either have the money or were willing to pay that much. So a balancing act of what grades and how many of each grade to bring in, if in fact they get to choose!!
 
Before some start flaming my comments, they are just hypothetical based on hypothetical numbers, for a bit of fun while waiting for them to hit the shores!! Having said that, if they come in at much higher than the average that people here are quoting,, they will likely sit in a warehouse for another 45 years till the rifles are worth what they are asking or the liberals ban them!
 
I see that the Russian capture Mausers just flew off the shelves at $600.00 plus each. NOT! I got one and it is NOT worth the money I paid with horrible wood and a crap bore. The rifle is worth $300.00 max.
 
Don Kael said:
It's one thing to be enthusiastic about a rifle without being told what it costs, and it's another entirely to bring them in and say "alright guys, I know you wanted these, but they are this much" which was the case here.

Yes, we were all enthusiastic about M38's and M44's coming in. $625 is too much for most of us though, even if they are the last batch out in the wild. It's great West Rifle was able to source them for those that could afford, but let's not insult the CGN userbase with scenario's that DIDN'T happen. I can guarantee you if Sergey had known their landed cost and posted it in the Mosin thread, there would be a lot less interest than there was.
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I like mosins, and WR has some nice hand picked ones posted, but no Russian 91/30 is worth $300-$400 to me personally. I just don't see any potential for return on investment down the road for rifles that are more for shooting than collecting in this country. I'll buy nice ones all day at $130-$150 and go to maybe $220 for something I think is very special and at the high end just buy another $600 sniper if I have money to burn on an investment rifle.

Garands. Good strong rifling and shiny bore. If the price is high I will buy one, because I need one darnit. If it is reasonable I will buy two (and in buying 2 for less will spend more money than if I bought one for more).
 
Mark-II said:
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I like mosins, and WR has some nice hand picked ones posted, but no Russian 91/30 is worth $300-$400 to me personally. I just don't see any potential for return on investment down the road for rifles that are more for shooting than collecting in this country. I'll buy nice ones all day at $130-$150 and go to maybe $220 for something I think is very special and at the high end just buy another $600 sniper if I have money to burn on an investment rifle.

Garands. Good strong rifling and shiny bore. If the price is high I will buy one, because I need one darnit. If it is reasonable I will buy two (and in buying 2 for less will spend more money than if I bought one for more).
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Westrifle prices them according to individual variations, arsenals types etc and based on those features, rarity.

Look here for an idea of how they may get their pricing insights... http://62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRarity.htm
 
sergey96 said:
Price will depend on what the winner of the bid is willing to pay for it. I heard what all of you said. I bought Mosin before and everyone was so enthusiastic to buy those, but not everyone was willing to pay for it. M1 Garands will be the same story. Unless it is dirt cheap no one will buy those. Only if those are in good shape then top dollars would be paid.
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Depends on price/quality I guess.

I've read you guys, aren't able to inspect condition on a sample of the rifles before committing. Is this true?
 
Don Kael said:
The way I see it, is distributers should look at it like the Steam model of sales (i.e. Valve's PC distribution platform):

1. Buy as many as you possibly can
2. Sell them as cheap as you can
3. By selling them cheap, you are putting it into a price range most people can't say no to, nor can they not afford, therefor reaching a price-prohibitive customer base that would have otherwise not bought anything
4. You sell exponentially more keeping the prices low, refreshing your inventory constantly

Selling 10,000 rifles you bought for $300 at $500 in one week.

Versus "the K98 model"

1. Bring in limited quantities at a time
2. Sell them for ridiculous prices
3. By buying them from the supplier (Russia) for ridiculous prices, you are therefor less likely to sell a small amount of rifles within a short period
4. You sit on a bunch of rifles for a long time negating a small portion of your investment while they sit in your inventory.

Selling 10,000 rifles you bought for $300 at $800 in five months.

Which makes more business sense? I'd say the former. But then again, I'm not a firearms importer.
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You're a smart man Don. That's exactly how I see non-essential / impulse purchases. I have a bought a lot of stuff on steam or via humble bundles, because it was priced at a point where I couldn't really justify not buying it.

Oh, a game I'm on the fence about? $2.49 for today only? Sure, I spend more on coffee.
Oh, a game I want, but not at full price? 80% off for the next 2 hours, 10 bucks? Sure, I spend more on lunch.


If there were decent Garands floating around at $300/$350, I'd be in the same boat, I'd have one ordered that day.... Up at $500 + then I have to stop and think about it; just like I've held off on the 1911 deal another dealer has going on.
 
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