Moose/Wolf rifle suggestions plz

c-fbmi said:
If I'm not mistaken, .275 is a bore dia and not a groove or bullet dia. Had a buddy from there and this is what I was told many years ago. This makes the 270 good but not a 7mm, unless your 7X57 brass says 275 Rigby on it...............
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If that is the case than I think .270 WIN or WSM is the way to go. Pick a real tough bullet like the partition or a bonded hunting bullet that won't open up too quickly and mess up the wolf but it will anchor the moose with authority.
 
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freddyfour said:
Yes but he wants a rifle he can use up there and back at home under the .275 limit. That's why he said please read the whole thread.
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that's kind of pointless but id take a 6.5x55 over nothing but I consider moose dangerous game since encounters could be from reach out and touch them with your hand to about 200 yards in a open field.

a good old cup and core bullet in a 6.5x55 should do the job
 
LOL, there seems to be some on here that don't believe a good ol' cup and core bullet will cleanly kill a moose.
 
Ardent said:
Oh dear. This should get interesting. :)
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for me id much rather have a bigger can when dealing with a big animal the gun that I took out to hunt moose for the first time was a 9.3x57 never got to fill my tag though. but one of our party had a nice close encounter at about 5 yards not fun if that moose decides to run your way. hunting with a guide who will hopefully have a gun a 6.5x55 for the main gun should work well realistically id not take anything under .30 cal to hunt moose im not a fan of being very close to a critter bigger then me without some knock down power
 
antiqueguy said:
for me id much rather have a bigger can when dealing with a big animal the gun that I took out to hunt moose for the first time was a 9.3x57 never got to fill my tag though. but one of our party had a nice close encounter at about 5 yards not fun if that moose decides to run your way. hunting with a guide who will hopefully have a gun a 6.5x55 for the main gun should work well realistically id not take anything under .30 cal to hunt moose im not a fan of being very close to a critter bigger then me without some knock down power
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You think a 6.5x55 is good enough but then you also say that you wouldnt hunt a moose with anything less than a .30 cal ? Correct me if im wrong but 6.5mm is smaller than 7.62 is it not :p
 
9.3mauser said:
Don't all 7mm's start with a .275" bore- .284" groove dia?
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No, not in modern rifling, you ream a barrel to .275 then when you push or pull the button through the bore ends up .276" and the groove ends up .284", pretty standard rule is .008" from bore to groove today. In the old British and European guns with cut rifling the bore to groove diameter could be as much as .012" different, with the difference always (well almost) being to a smaller bore dia and the standard groove dia.
The Brits almost always designate calibers using the bore dia. instead of the groove or bullet dia. as the Europeans and NAs do, hence the 275 Rigby, the 303 Brit, the 404 Jeffries which is actually .423 groove but the Brits made the rifling deeper as the dia increased in some calibers, or they just lied because it didn't have the right ring to it. Then there are the exceptions like the 416 Rigby...........We here do the same to a certain degree, the 38 special, 44 spl and mag, 218 bee, 250 Sav, all have huge variances in the names but all share the standard bullet diameters with their more correctly named brethern, except the 44s which no one has ever been able to explain to my satisfaction, hell it's not even a 43 magnum, really. How does anyone get 44 from .429" and it was the 44-40 that started all this BS. That one loses me............
 
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Gargoyle said:
Near White River, Ontario. This time next year (second week of November) still not sure what ranges but I will be asking my brother in law that runs the hunt lodge today. I've never been up that way so I really have no clue to that part of it yet.
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.270 win. You will have it covered!
 
c-fbmi said:
No, not in modern rifling, you ream a barrel to .275 then when you push or pull the button through the bore ends up .276" and the groove ends up .284", pretty standard rule is .008" from bore to groove today. In the old British and European guns with cut rifling the bore to groove diameter could be as much as .012" different, with the difference always (well almost) being to a smaller bore dia and the standard groove dia.
The Brits almost always designate calibers using the bore dia. instead of the groove or bullet dia. as the Europeans and NAs do, hence the 275 Rigby, the 303 Brit, the 404 Jeffries which is actually .423 groove but the Brits made the rifling deeper as the dia increased in some calibers, or they just lied because it didn't have the right ring to it. Then there are the exceptions like the 416 Rigby...........We here do the same to a certain degree, the 38 special, 44 spl and mag, 218 bee, 250 Sav, all have huge variances in the names but all share the standard bullet diameters with their more correctly named brethern, except the 44s which no one has ever been able to explain to my satisfaction, hell it's not even a 43 magnum, really. How does anyone get 44 from .429" and it was the 44-40 that started all this BS. That one loses me............
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The .44 part I can help with, and get us proper off track. :) The .44 S&W American, like the .41 Colt, used an externally lubricated bullet like the .22 Rimfire. The bullet and case are the same diameter in the externally lubricated cartridges, with the rebated heel going inside the case, the .22 Rimfire is incidentally the only survivor of the breed today. Anyhow, the cartridges used chambers bored straight through revolver cylinders with no throat, and were indeed .44's. The case was .44 and so was all of the bullet less the rebated heel inside the case, which incidentally was about .430". Modernization came in the form of the .44 Russian, when the .44 American was redesigned to win a contract and switched to a .430" internally lubricated bullet, modern style where the bullet fit fully in the case mouth not just the heel, like all cartridges today less than .22 rimfires. The .35 cal .38's and .30 cal .32's also gained their misnomer this way, the old designations for the heeled bullets simply stuck. :)
 
First of all, there are very few places, if any where the 275 caliber restrictions still exist. Most of that was done away with years ago when many areas became shotgun only, and where they do exist, it is usually only for deer hunting that it's restricted. Personally I am a huge fan of the 270 Win and own 3 of them. I have a Browning A-Bolt Medallion, Winchester model 70 and a Remington 760 all chambered in 270. I would comfortably hunt anything in Canada with one.
 
tactical870 said:
First of all, there are very few places, if any where the 275 caliber restrictions still exist. Most of that was done away with years ago when many areas became shotgun only, and where they do exist, it is usually only for deer hunting that it's restricted. Personally I am a huge fan of the 270 Win and own 3 of them. I have a Browning A-Bolt Medallion, Winchester model 70 and a Remington 760 all chambered in 270. I would comfortably hunt anything in Canada with one.
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Sorry TAC but you are very wrong, grab your regs and have a look. It is for small game as there is no rifle seasons for deer down here. Pretty much all southern Ontario is still under this rule.
 
Ardent said:
The .44 part I can help with, and get us proper off track. :) The .44 S&W American, like the .41 Colt, used an externally lubricated bullet like the .22 Rimfire. The bullet and case are the same diameter in the externally lubricated cartridges, with the rebated heel going inside the case, the .22 Rimfire is incidentally the only survivor of the breed today. Anyhow, the cartridges used chambers bored straight through revolver cylinders with no throat, and were indeed .44's. The case was .44 and so was all of the bullet less the rebated heel inside the case, which incidentally was about .430". Modernization came in the form of the .44 Russian, when the .44 American was redesigned to win a contract and switched to a .430" internally lubricated bullet, modern style where the bullet fit fully in the case mouth not just the heel, like all cartridges today less than .22 rimfires. The .35 cal .38's and .30 cal .32's also gained their misnomer this way, the old designations for the heeled bullets simply stuck. :)
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Thanks Ardent..........now it makes sense to me for the first time, and I've never heard this explanation before, but yes, I can see that, heeled bullets and all.............another gem of trivia which I shall now retain until death..........or possibly longer.......
 
270 Weatherby. Guess there's no love there. If u do get the Creedmoor bring it over I'd like to see how it compares to my 2506. I think a 6.5 is in my future. I wouldn't hesitate to take a moose with my 2506 if I could get a broadside shot. I've seen what it does to bear and wolves and coyotes. It's a great SW caliber. However if you some real fun take my double rifle in 4570 up
 
c-fbmi said:
Thanks Ardent..........now it makes sense to me for the first time, and I've never heard this explanation before, but yes, I can see that, heeled bullets and all.............another gem of trivia which I shall now retain until death..........or possibly longer.......
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Our wives will love it, when we're old and can recite all these gems from memory to keep them entertained and impressed.
 
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