AR-15 KB - with pictures

TDC said:
I don't think its operator error. You pay for ammo that works as advertised, it didn't. Ammo companies have no issue replacing guns that were damaged or destroyed due to their products not functioning properly.

TDC
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If they had a gross overload as noted in that recall, then this is Winchester's fault. If they had a squib and the operator fired another round afterwards then it certainly isn't Winchester's fault and I doubt you would get any compensation from them beyond a replacement of the box of defective ammo.


Mark
 
definitely looks like a Colt Canada lower (unless it is a dlask clone) and Colt Canada BCG (doubt that is a dlask clone). OP can you provide more info on the end-user? You can send it via PM if you would rather keep it confidential.

Boltgun
 
Makes me kinda nervous, my IA's are still muscle memory and are much the same for my xcr. I am usually 45min to 1 hour away from medical help when I'm shooting in the pits but always with a buddy. I've yet too see an xcr blow up but I don't think I would be so lucky and the op's buddy!

Part of the sport I guess, it's kinda like dirt biking the faster you go, the more fun it is haha until you crash. Usually far from help in that case too
 
mmattockx said:
There are very few guns that won't blow up in some fashion when fired with a barrel obstruction. It is on the user to make sure he doesn't have an obstruction before pulling the trigger.


Mark
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I agree with the first part of what you said, Mark, but I think you're missing my point a bit: Like mg4201 says, this sort of possibility, regardless of the existence or non-existence of user error is a perfect example of why we should be concerned with using firearms that by virtue of good design do a good job of protecting the user.

WHEN (not IF) a firearm experiences catastrophic failure like this (regardless of the cause), good design and construction will protect the user from grave injury.

Left-handed shooters may view this incident differently.
 
TheArmyMan204 said:
Makes me kinda nervous, my IA's are still muscle memory and are much the same for my xcr. I am usually 45min to 1 hour away from medical help when I'm shooting in the pits but always with a buddy.
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You've got your blowout kit on your belt (or at least in your range bag), and a more extensive first aid kit in the car, right? :) But yeah, it's still a bit unsettling. Until you compare it to the much greater risk of getting whacked by an inattentive driver on the way to the range.
 
velocipede said:
Thanks for the information, the ammunition is indeed RA223R2 as posted in the recall notice, but the lot number is not among those mentioned.

The bore and barrel outside looks good but it has not been scoped yet.
The base of the case ruptured completely and part of it has blown through the extractor. The headstamp part of the brass is bulged, fire-formed in the shape of the ejector hole.
The rest of the case is stuck in the barrel.
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Has the shooter contacted Winchester with this info? I don't see why they wouldn't try to make it right
 
enefgee said:
A squib feels very different than anything else, you get a muffled pop and then nothing - even with ears on, you can hear the primer, but it's very different than a live round, or a dud. Sort of the way you know the mag's empty without really looking.
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Yes, it does feel and sound different, and if you're watching for it you'll probably catch it every time. It's also fairly easy to miss if you're under stress or surrounded by other shooters blasting away on your left and right, etc. As I said above, I once had an instructor standing next to me during solo slow-fire who failed to catch that I had fired a squib.

I wouldn't compare it to feeling that your mag is empty: You can pretty reliably feel the difference on firing the last round in the mag, whereas the sound difference from a squib can easily be masked by other noise. The "feel" of a squib is exactly the same as the feel of a dud round (dead or backwards primer), or firing on an empty chamber. There is a visual indicator in that when you clear it you'll see an empty casing (and sometimes also wispy smoke), but that's also consistent with a failure to eject from the previous round.

How many instructors specifically teach discernment of squibs from duds as part of their malfunction clearance drills? Honest question, I haven't been to many classes.

Squibs are going to happen to you if you shoot enough rounds (whether factory or reloads). You might not catch them all. Does failure to check for errors on the part of the ammo manufacturer (squibs, duds) constitute user error? We can armchair lawyer it here all we want. I'd like to hear what both Colt and Winchester have to say about the incident.
 
alpining said:
I agree with the first part of what you said, Mark, but I think you're missing my point a bit: Like mg4201 says, this sort of possibility, regardless of the existence or non-existence of user error is a perfect example of why we should be concerned with using firearms that by virtue of good design do a good job of protecting the user.

WHEN (not IF) a firearm experiences catastrophic failure like this (regardless of the cause), good design and construction will protect the user from grave injury.

Left-handed shooters may view this incident differently.
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I see I misread your post. I took it to mean "guns that won't blow up", when you really meant guns that do a good job of venting gases and not blowing up towards the user. I agree completely with that idea. I also thought of the LH user when I read OP and how this would have went for him (I'm specifically thinking of Suputin, he is the first LH black rifle shooter I have shot with), probably not nearly as well as it did for a RH shooter.


Mark
 
enefgee said:
A squib feels very different than anything else, you get a muffled pop and then nothing - even with ears on, you can hear the primer, but it's very different than a live round, or a dud. Sort of the way you know the mag's empty without really looking.
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+2
Guys that shoot a lot (hell, I think new shooters should be intro'd to it too): if you have never experienced a squib, I highly recommend you do it -under controlled conditions of course.
I don't care how fast you think you are going during training or a match, I guarantee you if you clue in and recognize it, it will stop you in your tracks (as it should).
 
All those going on that the shooter should have known have maybe not spent enough time in competition. I've seen all kinds of weird stuff done by people under stress or a time clock. Sometimes its funny and sometimes not. If you haven't ever experienced a squib there is likely no reason you'd be aware of it happening. Early on in my shooting career a friend loaded a squib and was actively trying to get the next round in behind the stuck bullet. Thankfully it wouldn't go and he finally brought MY gun to me to ask what was wrong. Ever since then I have been cogniscant of the issue and especially with all the work I have done with subsoncs.


mg4201 said:
That's pretty impressive performance IMO. The rifle experienced a catastrophic failure and the shooter was uninjured, what more could you ask of a rifle?.
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Many years ago we intentionally tried to KB a Lee Enfield. A case full of Red Dot caused the bolt the crack in half and weld itself in the receiver, which also bulged and blew out the magazine guts. Otherwise the rifle remained intact. I was VERY impressed. That event would have resulted in a bruised shoulder but otherwise would not have injured a shooter had it been in someone's hands at the time.


I see I misread your post. I took it to mean "guns that won't blow up", when you really meant guns that do a good job of venting gases and not blowing up towards the user. I agree completely with that idea. I also thought of the LH user when I read OP and how this would have went for him (I'm specifically thinking of Suputin, he is the first LH black rifle shooter I have shot with), probably not nearly as well as it did for a RH shooter.
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I was thinking the same thing. That would have been a pants scooper for a lefty. Nothing like having metal fragments travel millimetres from your face at very high velocity.

Years ago I had an empty case take a crescent shaped ding out of my glasses while shooting an M14. Without eye protection that would have likely blinded me. Another time we were shooting my Sten and I handed it to my righty friend who promptly experienced a blown case powerful enough to blow the extractor in half. I'd have probably caught all that in the face which wouldn't have been fun.
 
Canuc Shooter said:
It would be nice to see a picture or two of the sides of the lower, that way we all won't be guessing the manufacturer.
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provided that isn't a lower that has been made to be a clone, then I am inclined to think it is a Colt Canada gun. here is why:
- sling plate is CC style and Receiver Extension castle nut is staked,
- The safety selector markings are S and R - typical CC format to be somewhat bi-lingual
- The marking -although slightly blurred- shows the tail end of "Canada", and "under licence from"
- The magazine is a lancer without a rivet - although I wouldn't put money on that one because it shows the base if I am correct
- The BCG has the stylized D which indicates it is a CC/Diemaco mfgr.
- The handguard is a single heat shield design which is also consistent with CC guns.

AND...the poster said it was a colt

Boltgun
 
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