Looking to get a trijicon acog .223 for my xcr. I wanted to use it for coyote hunting. The reticle comes with yardage markers out to 800 yards, well past what ill actually shoot. Magnification is 3.5 which would be perfect. But I notice some trijicons have a reflex site on top?? Are these bought after the fact? Are they sighted in some how from that height??? Sorry never used a rifles site before.
Trijicon acog help?? And reflex site.
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TheGamerXxX
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Both. Some come with the RDS on top of the ACOG, others you can buy one and just bolt it on.
Both sights (Acog and Reflex) would be sighted in at different distances. So Your reflex technically (for sakes of argument) you'd sight in at 25 yards for everything up close, and the Acog set up at 100 so you can do some "precission" further shoosting, and adjust (raise muzzle) for up to 800.
Is it worth it? Depends on what you plan to do. Since most people get either or, it's a good alternative to swapping optics all the time. (And lets face it, I don't really see a use for shooting past 800 yards with a .223)
Both sights (Acog and Reflex) would be sighted in at different distances. So Your reflex technically (for sakes of argument) you'd sight in at 25 yards for everything up close, and the Acog set up at 100 so you can do some "precission" further shoosting, and adjust (raise muzzle) for up to 800.
Is it worth it? Depends on what you plan to do. Since most people get either or, it's a good alternative to swapping optics all the time. (And lets face it, I don't really see a use for shooting past 800 yards with a .223)
The current generation ACOGs have the bosses machined to take the RMR and mount ( RM35 ) directly onto . Older models don't have the boss (and need RM38 ) so be careful ordering mount
If you are dead set on a ACOG with RMR might as well buy it as a combo you save a bit of $$ doing so )
Or you can pick up ACOG and add after with the mounts described above
IMO there are far better optic choices for the $2K the ACOG RMR combo will run you .
I found the RMR on the ACOG goofy since you had to lift your head off stock . I took mine off and never looked back. The reality is the TA31 ( 4X ) or TA11 ( 3.5X ) that you are looking at are pretty good for up close plinking...keeping both eyes open ( assuming you are not a professional door kicker ! ) ...especially with the horseshoe reticle .
Tried offset mount but novelty wore off ....too much crap hanging off rifle !
The TA11 is longer than the TA31 , but gives you more forgiving eye relief . You need to try both before deciding .
IF you will use the rifle for more up close and personal than shooting coyotes , you may want to think about a Aimpoint with 3X magnifier ( or Eotech ) combo . Surprisingly quick to flip magnifier
If you are dead set on a ACOG with RMR might as well buy it as a combo you save a bit of $$ doing so )
Or you can pick up ACOG and add after with the mounts described above
IMO there are far better optic choices for the $2K the ACOG RMR combo will run you .
I found the RMR on the ACOG goofy since you had to lift your head off stock . I took mine off and never looked back. The reality is the TA31 ( 4X ) or TA11 ( 3.5X ) that you are looking at are pretty good for up close plinking...keeping both eyes open ( assuming you are not a professional door kicker ! ) ...especially with the horseshoe reticle .
Tried offset mount but novelty wore off ....too much crap hanging off rifle !
The TA11 is longer than the TA31 , but gives you more forgiving eye relief . You need to try both before deciding .
IF you will use the rifle for more up close and personal than shooting coyotes , you may want to think about a Aimpoint with 3X magnifier ( or Eotech ) combo . Surprisingly quick to flip magnifier
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blackacres
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I have a TA31 on one of my AR's. I bought a Jpoint RDS which came with the mount clamps around the eyepiece of the ACOG.
I played with it a few times and ended up removing it.
As mentoned above, it may look cool, but you have to lift your head up to view through the RDS. I find I can shoot at closer ranges with the ACOG anyway.
I was thinking of getting a 45deg mount but decided against it since the ACOG works very well on it's own.
Considering the cost of an ACOG and that you want to use the optic for various ranges for coyote hunting, I'd be more tempted to get a 2.5 - 10, or 1.5 - 8X scope.
I still have the Jpoint, if you are in the GTA/Hamilton area, it would easy to throw the Jpoint back on my ACOG and you can try the setup out to see what it's like to view through.
I played with it a few times and ended up removing it.
As mentoned above, it may look cool, but you have to lift your head up to view through the RDS. I find I can shoot at closer ranges with the ACOG anyway.
I was thinking of getting a 45deg mount but decided against it since the ACOG works very well on it's own.
Considering the cost of an ACOG and that you want to use the optic for various ranges for coyote hunting, I'd be more tempted to get a 2.5 - 10, or 1.5 - 8X scope.
I still have the Jpoint, if you are in the GTA/Hamilton area, it would easy to throw the Jpoint back on my ACOG and you can try the setup out to see what it's like to view through.
Screw that.
I can tilt my head quick than I can adjust any scope ring. I have my red dot set at 25 meters and know a center mass hit is good to 100 meters. Then if it's past this I tighten up on my rig and use the acog and easily work it out to further ranges up to 400 meters after that it tends to get quite hard getting effective hits on targets every single time I pull the trigger.
I can tilt my head quick than I can adjust any scope ring. I have my red dot set at 25 meters and know a center mass hit is good to 100 meters. Then if it's past this I tighten up on my rig and use the acog and easily work it out to further ranges up to 400 meters after that it tends to get quite hard getting effective hits on targets every single time I pull the trigger.
The tandem arrangement is not the best for competition because the dot sight is very high above the bore axis. In addition to adding another 1.5" to the sight over bore difference at extreme close range, and as you said, one has to change from cheek wield to chin wield. That is definitely not the best way according to the basic marksmanship principle.
On the other hand, keeping the head straight up with a chin wield is easier on the body to stay alert, scan and maintain situation awareness, especially in close space and on the move. It also provides a secondary optic that is useable when wearing face covering gear.
This is more than "I like / I dislike" - If you want to go tandem mounting, there is a reason for it and you will have to train yourself to use it as such. In fact, the redot on top should be the default primary optic, and switching to the 4x should only be done if there is a conscious effort to do it.
On the other hand, keeping the head straight up with a chin wield is easier on the body to stay alert, scan and maintain situation awareness, especially in close space and on the move. It also provides a secondary optic that is useable when wearing face covering gear.
This is more than "I like / I dislike" - If you want to go tandem mounting, there is a reason for it and you will have to train yourself to use it as such. In fact, the redot on top should be the default primary optic, and switching to the 4x should only be done if there is a conscious effort to do it.
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Well I am not married to a particular brand or model. My goal is to use my XCR as a predator gun. We don't have wide open prairies here where I can sit 400 yards away with a high power optic and just snipe. Here in the timber I get shots maybe out to 200 yards and some at 20 yards. I have seen them both, and sometimes at same time LOL
So my goal is to have something that works at both ranges. I'm open to any suggestions from guys with some experience with products. I don't need the yardage marks that the acog offers at all to be honest. But at same time its hard to adjust scope power using a normal scope with coyote close range hunting. I normally walk in with a rifle and a shotgun, but the whole point of this xcr was to do both for me. Any ideas, I'm open to them?
So my goal is to have something that works at both ranges. I'm open to any suggestions from guys with some experience with products. I don't need the yardage marks that the acog offers at all to be honest. But at same time its hard to adjust scope power using a normal scope with coyote close range hunting. I normally walk in with a rifle and a shotgun, but the whole point of this xcr was to do both for me. Any ideas, I'm open to them?
The elcan specter is the fastest to switch power, but my personal sight has a 2moa POI change ( 2010) between 4x and 1x. Not a big deal for 50m shots or 8" zone at 100m If you know the limitation.
You can also put a cat tail on a vari power scope, to make the switch faster.
Another alternative is to use a canted mount to have a set of iron or red dot sight on the side.
Yet another alternative is mounting a magnifier on a swing mount behind a red dot sight. I actually like this idea quite well. I use it the other way around. I have the magnifier on the canted position to observe and rotate the rifle back to the regular position to use the reddot to fire, so to avoid tunnel vision.
You can also put a cat tail on a vari power scope, to make the switch faster.
Another alternative is to use a canted mount to have a set of iron or red dot sight on the side.
Yet another alternative is mounting a magnifier on a swing mount behind a red dot sight. I actually like this idea quite well. I use it the other way around. I have the magnifier on the canted position to observe and rotate the rifle back to the regular position to use the reddot to fire, so to avoid tunnel vision.
