Caliber choice question ??? Need advice

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I will make this as short as possible,....

I ordered a frame for a new .40 cal build and I was sent the wrong length and a ramped frame. I wanted a full length for the look I was after. Sooooo.... That leaves me with an extra frame for another build for my daughter.

My question:
Is there any advantage to a non comped .38 super, or 9mm major over 9mm or another .40 ?

option 2: build an open 38super or 9mm major

I have not shot a non comped .38 super or any 9mm major looking for suggestions on caliber and what the non comped versions handle like. I was wanting to stay in limited with the pistol but major PF.
or do I just build her a full out race (open)

Will the 38 super function properly through a non ramped barrel or do I get the frame milled out for a ramped barrel ?
 
You cant score major in Standard ('limited') with 9mm or 38 super, you can shoot 9mm or 38 super with major PF but you will only score minor. Open is the only division where these calibers can score major.
 
Aaaah, I did not realize that. All these years and I somehow missed that (embarrassed)

As far as how the pistol would handle in .38super or 9major without a comp,... anybody with experience. I am hoping to build a relatively smooth shooting pistol for her. She is 11yrs now and has shot my Tanfoglio in .40 but after about 2/3 of the mag she is struggling to maintain good/correct grip. The .40 is a bit much for her to handle at this point(she is accurate but it almost overpowers her through a mag worth).

I was hoping to continue to build her confidence but have the ability for her to score in major. I'm not sure how "competitive she would be in open" but its not out of the question. She has not shot a competition yet but is very interested in the sport. We have only been training for about a year and a half.

My hope was to build a pistol that would serve her for many years as she progressed. I don't want to spend $3-4000. building her a pistol that she will have little use for in 3-4 yrs.
She is unfortunately just not physically strong enough just yet but will be soon, the fundamentals and mindset are there but just the physical barrier.
Should I just build her an open gun and be done with it?
 
Why are you leaning to high pressure ammo for ? A non comped 38 super or 9mm major will be super more recoil, and that why they're built with comp'd set up for open division... if not comp'd gun, then no point for her to go with these major options.

Should just stick with production division or classic division in ipsc, with either 9mm or .40 loaded down to 135 power factor ?
cz or tangfolio..in production shooting these in minor scoring, will be softer recoil for her to handle...
or in classic division, a 9mm 1911 is very soft recoil, and a .40 major is not, but if as above, I suggest you load .40 180 gr down to like 800 fps, will be soft recoil....
 
raks said:
You cant score major in Standard ('limited') with 9mm or 38 super, you can shoot 9mm or 38 super with major PF but you will only score minor. Open is the only division where these calibers can score major.
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In fact, I recall a discussion where it was speculated that a 9mm or 38 super reaching major velocities in a non-comped gun could be considered unsafe ammunition and required to be withdrawn from a match at the discretion of the range master. (5.5.6)
 
It's not hard to post high scores shooting 9mm. Simple. The goal of any shooting sport is to shoot for highest possible score. In IPSC that means shooting A's, all the time or most of the time.

If it were me, and my daughter wanted to shoot IPSC (I wish she would...), I would set her up with a nice handling 9mm, that fits her hands, shooting heavy bullets at a lower velocity. It will shoot softer than a 124 gr or 115 gr load. I would then encourage and train her to shoot A's.

A good shooter with a 9mm will do just fine in IPSC and beat many, many others shooting major power factor, open guns, production guns, limited guns... Trust me.
 
peacefrog said:
It's not hard to post high scores shooting 9mm. A good shooter with a 9mm will do just fine in IPSC and beat many, many others shooting major power factor, open guns, production guns, limited guns... Trust me.
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Sorry, I disagree; results at major matches would say otherwise too. You may get high scores, but your hit factor won't be high and that's what matters in IPSC.

Also, there is no major in production and no "limited" in IPSC.

For the OP: Think "Classic" Division. 9mm is competitive because it gets the extra mag capacity and a 1911 with thin grips and a short trigger is nice and comfortable for small hands. I know it doesn't solve your wrong frame issue, but it would be a great place for a long term gun for your daughter.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
For the OP: Think "Classic" Division. 9mm is competitive because it gets the extra mag capacity and a 1911 with thin grips and a short trigger is nice and comfortable for small hands. I know it doesn't solve your wrong frame issue, but it would be a great place for a long term gun for your daughter.
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Excellent Advice!
 
hungrybeagle said:
In fact, I recall a discussion where it was speculated that a 9mm or 38 super reaching major velocities in a non-comped gun could be considered unsafe ammunition and required to be withdrawn from a match at the discretion of the range master. (5.5.6)
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Did you mean non-ramped?
Non-comped the ammo is no different safety wise than it is out of a comped gun.
Non-ramped is a whole other story.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
Sorry, I disagree; results at major matches would say otherwise too. You may get high scores, but your hit factor won't be high and that's what matters in IPSC.

Also, there is no major in production and no "limited" in IPSC.

For the OP: Think "Classic" Division. 9mm is competitive because it gets the extra mag capacity and a 1911 with thin grips and a short trigger is nice and comfortable for small hands. I know it doesn't solve your wrong frame issue, but it would be a great place for a long term gun for your daughter.
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Hmm. I guess IPSC scoring has changed a lot then, I used to beat guys all the time who were shooting major to my minor. Must be progress.
 
even in classic division shooting minor isn't a great plan. Better than if you were in standard because of the magazine capacity increase but still not great (I say this as someone who shoots classic minor and places well... yet still moving to major to grab those extra points)
 
My suggestion is get her to shoot open. Recoil will be minimized, faster learning of the ipsc game with greater success in her accuracy with the dot. Pick the same caliber you shoot (one load for both of you) and maybe even just share the gun at first to see how she feels. The only draw back I see is the noise as some find it too harsh, especially kids and some whiney adults :)
 
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