I don't understand the "Glock Advantage"...
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The true "Advantage" of a Glock is that it will eat anything - and you only have to clean it once a year (whether it needs it or not). Seriously tho - I have never felt the need for an external safety on my 17, but I'm not sure the lack of one needs to be a selling point.
And that's the thing. Not having a safety being a selling point is ridiculous. If you think you'll forget the safety don't use it or remove it, offer a model without it but to convince people that they are a disadvantage to justify not having included one, well that's just silly.
The debate on external safeties vs not having one is another thing all together. On one hand if you practice proper gun safety you shouldn't need it but if you practice at all forgetting it on shouldn't be an issue either. It's like driving stick, eventually it becomes another thing you just do.
Glock advantage? Buy one, shoot it often, NEVER CLEAN IT. Ever. I'll bet you a Glock it shoots every time you pull the trigger, ten thousand rounds later. I know an ex-navy guy that never cleaned his, never even wiped parts down. Nada. No problems more than a decade later.
The advantage is for those that carry the firearm for a living, meaning the gun could save their life or someone elses. The advantage of not having an external safety is simple. When under duress, its one less piece of the equation you have to worry about. Just pull the gun and shoot, no messing with safeties. Sure you can train around an external safety, but humans are still humans and can #### up under duress, Glocks just make things more simple. Plus they work!
Glock: For those that fight, and have to have the gun fire, no matter what.
I own 20 pistols, and one Glock. I'm no raving fan boy. I also have full confidence it will shoot every time, no buts. Un-cleaned, never lubed, mixed ammo, wet, dry, cold, hot, whatever. I can't say that about most guns. It's ugly, but it works well. Some hate the trigger, most that daily carry, don't mind it. No accidental flinch shooting with that trigger. It's a Honda Civic, or Toyota Hilux: nothing ###y, but it works.
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The "Advantage" of the Glock is it's trigger system. Given other standards like reliability, firing pin and drop safeties; it's the consistent trigger with no frame mounted manual safety that gives the Glock it's advantage.
Is it the safest trigger out there? Probably not. The argument could be made that a DA/SA or an HK LEM are safer trigger systems, but neither is as safe AND easy to shoot. The Glock trigger is relatively easy to learn to shoot quite well.
I transitioned from a DA/SA pistol to the Glock and the trigger was a real treat in comparison.
There is a reason that every major pistol brand has knocked off the Glock in some fashion over the last twenty years. M&P, Styer, Walther, blah, blah blah, this list goes on an on.
YMMV
Is it the safest trigger out there? Probably not. The argument could be made that a DA/SA or an HK LEM are safer trigger systems, but neither is as safe AND easy to shoot. The Glock trigger is relatively easy to learn to shoot quite well.
I transitioned from a DA/SA pistol to the Glock and the trigger was a real treat in comparison.
There is a reason that every major pistol brand has knocked off the Glock in some fashion over the last twenty years. M&P, Styer, Walther, blah, blah blah, this list goes on an on.
YMMV
The part that you don't understand is that the trigger safety is the external safety that makes a glock 100% drop safe. Without pressing the trigger, the striker is not fully cocked, and the firing pin safety blocks the firing pin.
You don't see the advantage to a simplified operation because you've never had to shoot your gun while under extreme stress.
Having an external safety to deactivate is akin to carrying with an empty chamber imo. Maybe you can get the job done in time, maybe you can't...
Glock may market to you for profit, but they didn't build their gun for you.
There's stuff I like about Glocks and stuff I don't.
The trigger's pretty good. The reset is very positive which I like. Some models are extremely reliable and durable. Parts are cheap and working on them is dead simple. The maintenance schedule is very forgiving and cheap to stick to. They're sufficiently accurate for most purposes. Lots of good stuff.
To be honest, though, I think the lack of an external safety is a downside, not an upside. People say it's a training issue and in a sense that's true...but it's also true that failure to manipulate an external safety is a training issue. If you haven't trained yourself well enough for your hands to manipulate a safety, what the hell are you doing trying to manipulate a trigger? On a 1911 my safety comes off automatically as I acquire the target. I NEVER, EVER think about it. Ever. It's 100% automatic and consequently it's no obstacle for me and not having it there would only be a concern on reholstering. That's it.
But the Glock's lack of an external safety is tolerable. Intelligent holster selection mitigates the safety issue a bit, and everything else is training. Glocks are still the guns I recommend for 99% of shooters.
I wouldn't AIWB a Glock, though. I'd AIWB a 1911. The margin of error is just greater on a gun where I can consciously switch a safety on. The only AIWB holster I own is for a 1911, even though I could have had a screaming deal on a 5-Shot SME for a G17 at SHOT. I left it on the table and waited months and paid full price for one, for a 1911.
OTOH I can think of better shooters than me that AIWB a G19, so I'm hardly the final word on the subject.
The trigger's pretty good. The reset is very positive which I like. Some models are extremely reliable and durable. Parts are cheap and working on them is dead simple. The maintenance schedule is very forgiving and cheap to stick to. They're sufficiently accurate for most purposes. Lots of good stuff.
To be honest, though, I think the lack of an external safety is a downside, not an upside. People say it's a training issue and in a sense that's true...but it's also true that failure to manipulate an external safety is a training issue. If you haven't trained yourself well enough for your hands to manipulate a safety, what the hell are you doing trying to manipulate a trigger? On a 1911 my safety comes off automatically as I acquire the target. I NEVER, EVER think about it. Ever. It's 100% automatic and consequently it's no obstacle for me and not having it there would only be a concern on reholstering. That's it.
But the Glock's lack of an external safety is tolerable. Intelligent holster selection mitigates the safety issue a bit, and everything else is training. Glocks are still the guns I recommend for 99% of shooters.
I wouldn't AIWB a Glock, though. I'd AIWB a 1911. The margin of error is just greater on a gun where I can consciously switch a safety on. The only AIWB holster I own is for a 1911, even though I could have had a screaming deal on a 5-Shot SME for a G17 at SHOT. I left it on the table and waited months and paid full price for one, for a 1911.
OTOH I can think of better shooters than me that AIWB a G19, so I'm hardly the final word on the subject.
did you know that there is a safety on Tokarev TT33, I am not talking about the added safety from later chinese models, original Russian TT33 do have a safety, which is in the trigger group..... yep !
just pull back the hammer between 1/8-1/4'' and you will heard a clic and the hammer will stay there, everything is blocked from the slide action and trigger, even if you have a round in the chamber......., the only way to release it is to pull back the hammer 100% ........ yep ! I've tried it, very secure safety, working everytime from my 4 Toks that I have....(Russian and Polish)... yep !
despite anything mentioned on any forum and any other source about all the three safety that are in the Glock......, like it was mentioned.....on Glock the safety is between the shoulder, ....just a little high......, if there was a real safety on Glock, some accidents would not happened......, some police officers shot themself because of that lack of security....this is a fact !!! yep !!!
just pull back the hammer between 1/8-1/4'' and you will heard a clic and the hammer will stay there, everything is blocked from the slide action and trigger, even if you have a round in the chamber......., the only way to release it is to pull back the hammer 100% ........ yep ! I've tried it, very secure safety, working everytime from my 4 Toks that I have....(Russian and Polish)... yep !
despite anything mentioned on any forum and any other source about all the three safety that are in the Glock......, like it was mentioned.....on Glock the safety is between the shoulder, ....just a little high......, if there was a real safety on Glock, some accidents would not happened......, some police officers shot themself because of that lack of security....this is a fact !!! yep !!!
People who shoot them selves do so out of poor firearms safety not because of the lack of manual safety. If you dont want a ND then don't put your finger on the trigger unless your ready to shoot. Saying manual safeties prevent NDs is like saying gun control prevents crime
Why this Glock shot him
-did not clear the gun
-did not insp that the gun was clear
-partner did not insp the gun properly
-point gun in unsafe direction
-put finger on the trigger
-pulled the trigger
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never point the muzzle at anything you aren't willing to destroy
keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you've made the decision to shoot.
when you break 2 safety rules, no gun can save you, and no gun should be expected to.
People who shoot them selves do so out of poor firearms safety not because of the lack of manual safety. If you dont want a ND then don't put your finger on the trigger unless your ready to shoot. Saying manual safeties prevent NDs is like saying gun control prevents crime
Things he did wrong
-did not clear the gun
-did not insp that the gun was clear
-partner did not insp the gun properly
-point gun in unsafe direction
-put finger on the trigger
-pulled the trigger
this is the exact issue with all of this, think that people who shot themselves is not from the lack of manual safety...... this is the exact fonction of a manual safety, avoid that kind of accident........
- did not clear the gun .... n/a because accident with police officer were on live responding 911 calls.....
- did not insp that the gun was clear....... read above.....
- Partner did not insp the gun properly......... read above......
- point gun in unsafe direction......duuhhhhh, this is exactly the point on why/when a manual safety should be on every gun !!!! yep!!
- put finger on the trigger .......read above....
- pull the trigger .....read above.....
come on guys !!!!! let go that crap !!!!!! a provide a real true argument !!!!!!!!
P.S.: based on the above info, that kind of accident would not hapenned if police officer would have Tokarevs in their holsters....
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