Questions about the M&P9

I just bought a new M&P9 Range kit for under $600, you just need to know how to shop, but deals are out there at this time of year. ;) And before Avenida gets worried, I also bought an HK P30L (used) for a bit more. It's going to be a good comparison when I finally get them to the range this next week. Funny how you guys are arguing about them. Solution is to buy both. lol
 
If I'm not mistaken most if not all of the range kits come without the external thumb safety.

Or at least I haven't seen any that do.

My dad has one but it didn't come in the range kit combo.

I got the feeling when I asked my local gun store owner about it that the ones with the safety where not in demand so the distributors where not bringing them in much.

And as for Cpt. HK up there, I have the M&P in 22, 9, 40, 45 and 9 pro core and have never had any issues.
I can't say the same for my HK that's away getting fixed...... again!
 
The advantage to the range kit is you get a model without the magazine safety and a mag loader.

The Big Four in my opinion:
Glock 17 - 2009 and earlier is a legendary gun; like a W. German Sig.
PPQ - Still kind of rare. Best trigger out of the four. I'm waiting for the 5inch model.
P30 - Many people consider this to be the best 9mm produced today. It costs more and mags are pricey. This does scare people away. My Glock and former PPQ have better triggers than the P30 LEM.
M&P9 - More utilitarian than a glock. People who put themselves into harms way for a living choose this gun to defend themselves. Although not exclusive to this gun, it does speak volumes.

M&P9 vs Glock vs P30; It is like picking out a shovel at Walmart. Ultimately, they are all designed to make holes and they all succeed at that task.

Just by a new range kit and shoot thousands of rounds through it before you worry about adding mods.
 
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evolture said:
The advantage to the range kit is you get a model without the magazine safety and a mag loaded.

The Big Four in my opinion:
Glock 17 - 2009 and earlier is legendary gun; like a W. German Sig.
PPQ - Still kind of rare. Best trigger out of the four. I'm waiting for the 5inch model.
P30 - Many people consider this to be the best 9mm produced today. It costs more and mags are pricey. This does scare people away. My Glock and former PPQ have better triggers than the P30 LEM.
M&P9 - More utilitarian than a glock. People who put themselves into harms way for a living choose this gun to defend themselves. Although not exclusive to this gun, it does speak volumes.

M&P9 vs Glock vs P30; It is like picking out a shovel at Walmart. Ultimately they are all designed to make holes, and they all succeed at that task.

Just by a new range kit and shoot thousands of rounds through it before you worry about adding mods.
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I picked up a range kit at the Reliable sale. $575 new. Having shot an earlier model one I was pleasantly surprised and figured I'd have to get one. The triggers are gritty but spray with G96, lots of dry fire and a few range trips will fix that quick.

I like the German stuff and will eventually get PPQ, Glock etc. Although I have shot Glocks and like them I prefered the S&W.

A couple of things not mentioned is the stainless slide and low bore axis. The M&P feels like they took the best of Glock and combined the best of their earlier 59x pistols. For the price I couldn't put off buying one any longer. I suspect I'll be getting a M&P22 eventually as well. At least when mags are cheaper and easier to find.

I don't see it as a one or the other. I do see the M&P being a good bargain and solid pistol.
 
Avenida said:
Well.... I think you are giving up all this:

-Interchangeable side AND back straps. Not only back straps like Mp.
- From Factory stippled grip. MP does not have stippling and it is rather slippery.
- Iron glow in the dark sights. MP front sight is known for loosing its white dot over time = garbage.
- Completely ambidextrous without moving or switching parts around like the mag release on the MP. MP has to be moved either to the right or left, so it is not completely ambi so it is either or.
- Paddle release instead of button release.
- Proven reliability with a torture test 90k rounds (pistol-training dot com)
- Good trigger out the box (lem)
- Excellent workmanship, machining and barrel fit.
- Test fired gun that comes with a test target from factory at 15 meters, signed by tester.
- German quality.

This is not a VS thread, so I am stopping here.
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The glowy irons of the p30 out of the box are ####, those phosphorous sights suck balls. Either way I would go with trijicon hd so sights is a no advantage
Most people are used to the button release.
M&Ps are more than reliable enough for most people.
While the trigger on m&ps are worse than a loose hooker out of the box it is more forgiving than a p30 trigger. Now that is an excuse used by people but it is true.

Before you label me as a hater, my first pistol is a P30L V1 light lem, and my second pistol is a USP9 V1, and my third pistol is a smith m&p22 made by walther. I am not what you would call a HK hater. But simple fact is, they are expensive guns. Just like other polymers are brutal about displaying poor form especially the P30. And magazines from them unless you know some people are bloody expensive.

The M&P range kit is a high value package. it includes 4 mags a mag loader and a holster for 700 bucks. My money would still go to a glock gen 3 at 700 plus a couple hundred for some extra mags.

Now whether you want to spend that extra money on the best pistol is up to you. I did, sounds like you did as well. I say the p30l is the best 9mm out there. Others will disagree. That's my take on it.

M&P is a decent pistol. Lightyears ahead of their other garbage.

As for trying to convince these knobs about quality, comeon, this is the fanclub of chinese garbage, and sks and other pieces of sh*t, chuck out a challenge see who will take on your p30. Guess what? I just about gurantee you no one will take you up on that. It's e commandos. Big talk, nothing to back it up. This is not where you want to try and convince people of what is a quality product. The lemmings will blindly follow their 'murican stuff for the 20%, and their kung-pao ginger beef guns for the other 79.99% of them.
 
I picked an M&P up just because I got a good deal on it with intentions of selling it but never did. It's a solid pistol and the range kit is a good value. It is my experience that 90% of the shooters out there (including me) are incapable of outshooting any of the major brand name pistols.
 
The M&P range kit comes with 3 mags not 4 and it can be had for around $650 or less if you shop around.

While I agree with most of your points about p30 and M&P, I don't see many here claiming that Chinese stuff are just as good in quality as their real counterparts. People here know what they're getting which is cheaply made guns but 1/3 the price for range fun.

There's no need to bash others because some choose American/Chinese for whatever reasons. I have European guns as well and there are no disillusions about my firearms choices.



bacon1337 said:
The glowy irons of the p30 out of the box are ####, those phosphorous sights suck balls. Either way I would go with trijicon hd so sights is a no advantage
Most people are used to the button release.
M&Ps are more than reliable enough for most people.
While the trigger on m&ps are worse than a loose hooker out of the box it is more forgiving than a p30 trigger. Now that is an excuse used by people but it is true.

Before you label me as a hater, my first pistol is a P30L V1 light lem, and my second pistol is a USP9 V1, and my third pistol is a smith m&p22 made by walther. I am not what you would call a HK hater. But simple fact is, they are expensive guns. Just like other polymers are brutal about displaying poor form especially the P30. And magazines from them unless you know some people are bloody expensive.

The M&P range kit is a high value package. it includes 4 mags a mag loader and a holster for 700 bucks. My money would still go to a glock gen 3 at 700 plus a couple hundred for some extra mags.

Now whether you want to spend that extra money on the best pistol is up to you. I did, sounds like you did as well. I say the p30l is the best 9mm out there. Others will disagree. That's my take on it.

M&P is a decent pistol. Lightyears ahead of their other garbage.

As for trying to convince these knobs about quality, comeon, this is the fanclub of chinese garbage, and sks and other pieces of sh*t, chuck out a challenge see who will take on your p30. Guess what? I just about gurantee you no one will take you up on that. It's e commandos. Big talk, nothing to back it up. This is not where you want to try and convince people of what is a quality product. The lemmings will blindly follow their 'murican stuff for the 20%, and their kung-pao ginger beef guns for the other 79.99% of them.
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mudgolem said:
The M&P range kit comes with 3 mags not 4 and it can be had for around $650 or less if you shop around.

While I agree with most of your points about p30 and M&P, I don't see many here claiming that Chinese stuff are just as good in quality as their real counterparts. People here know what they're getting which is cheaply made guns but 1/3 the price for range fun.

There's no need to bash others because some choose American/Chinese for whatever reasons. I have European guns as well and there are no disillusions about my firearms choices.
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You would be surprised by how many norinco owners have a disproportionate faith in their hardware.

Not bashing, bringing it in line. Yank pistols at best are ok. You want top notch pistol it's euro. Simply how it is. Now whether you need the added performance/reliability/durability is up to you. Like I said for most the m&p9 is more than enough.

Rifles is not necessarily the case, plenty of top rate manufacturers in the states for that.
 
Throwing my 2 cents in. I like my M&P 9 a lot. Fits my hand better then my buddys G17. I found the triggers to feel the same after the grittiness was removed. The grittiness on mine wasn't the sear it was the striker block safety. The part the lifts it up was smooth but not as smooth as it could be. Pull the trigger lots and it smooths right out. Or do what I did and grabbed some 2000 grit sandpaper and polished the lifter part.

relevant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGnPDjJCY1s
 
SharttStrike said:
Throwing my 2 cents in. I like my M&P 9 a lot. Fits my hand better then my buddys G17. I found the triggers to feel the same after the grittiness was removed. The grittiness on mine wasn't the sear it was the striker block safety. The part the lifts it up was smooth but not as smooth as it could be. Pull the trigger lots and it smooths right out. Or do what I did and grabbed some 2000 grit sandpaper and polished the lifter part.

relevant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGnPDjJCY1s
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Buying the Apex striker block is an instant trigger job on any M&P. My FS M&P was bought in 2007 and has yet to have a failure of any kind. The gun has a spot for the manual safety. The M&P has the same grip angle of the 1911 vs the Glocks Luger grip angle. For me Glocks point naturally high and are, for me, uncomfortable in my hand. Great guns but just not for me.

I have shot guns with gritty heavy triggers and light smooth ones and in competition I have to say I never notice the difference. I do sitting on my couch watching TV but not when shooting a match.

To the OP if you like the feel of the M&P and want a dependable accurate pistol buy the M&P. You won't shoot it any better or any worse than any of the guns mentioned in this thread. The Range kit is a pretty good deal and sets you up to play IDPA if that is of any interest to you. For IPSC you likely will need a couple more mags.

Good \luck

Bob
 
Take a look at the cz line up, their duty pistol is pretty damn accurate and can be had for around $650. Also, take a look at the jericho 941 polymer, built like a friggin tank and accurate as hell. There are also lots of other options, like the taurus 24/7 g2 (have a lifetime warranty and a canadian warranty depot), a used sig 226, the Baikal viking in polymer, etc, etc.

The most important thing is to get a pistol that fits your hand, and that you are happy with price wise and quality wise. A lot of posters are biased to one brand or another and will scream "HK" or "Glock" or some other brand, just remember.... guns are like buying a car, dont get the same one as your neighbor just cause he likes his. Get into the shops and handle them all.... and stay away from .40 for your first one... #### will make you hate shooting.
 
Poor Ave is in for an awful shock next year when a few die hard Hk users toss them for M&P's ;)

Is the Hk a great gun - yes, however I can buy 2 M&P's for the price of an Hk P30

The Pro series guns are available in two barrel lengths - the FS (4.5" barrel) and the Long (5" barrel).

I carry a Pro CORE as my EDC and Duty pistol -- no external safety.

I've had external safety M&P's and I decided it just was not a requirement for me.
 
Makes sense, they can have any caliber they want that way, and pretty much any control set they want too - without having to go off the reservation. I have to say, I bought an HK45 on a whim, and when I had a good look at it, compared to the M&P45 I was pretty shocked - not in a good way.
 
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