Questions about the M&P9

I paid about $700 for my M&P45, I paid about $1400 for the HK45 - I put 5,000 rounds through the M&P, and after spending some time dry firing and handling the HK and looking at the maintenance requirements and parts availability sold it without firing a shot through it.
 
Too the OP I have the Glock and the Sig, my son has the M&P 9. Great pistol, beautiful finish. Good trigger and the range and carry kit blows most other deals out of the water. I prefer the Glock, but that's purely from how I grip autos and nothing to do with the M&P. I will eventually get the M&P in .45, a cal I'm lacking at the moment.

I will mention only one issue we encountered with the M&P9 range kit. A small detail but potentially deadly if this gun was to be carried as a duty gun, which we have not to worry about.

These are fully ambidextrous pistol's recognizing the other 5% of shooters and rightfully so.

Problem is, when you configure the pistol for left hand use as in my son's case, and in particular the mag release stop, the follower's top left corner gets caught in the right hand use mag stop notch when round number seven passes the cutout. I've just filed, tapered and sanded the corners, but it hasn't been tried since so no conclusion on the results of my modification. He had it put back to right hand use, but after watching a video he did with all the mag issues in left hand, I finally decided to address the issue myself.
I contacted S&W intially when the gun was new concerning the follower not being compatible with left hand use, which they acknowledged as a problem with certain generations of followers and were going to ship me different followers pronto till they realized my address was Canada, so they said I had to go through S&W warranty here. I contacted a S&W dealer who couldn't help and who directed me to the importer, which ignored my email/emails not sure if two.

So a great deal in a 9mm pistol. Looks great and feels good. Accuracy seems on par with most duty type guns. Functions 100% as far as bullet weights from 115-147 or manufacturer is concerned. If you are planning a left hand set up however, be aware of the follower issue jamming in the mag, an issue on our generation pistol.

Cheers, RTS
 
enefgee said:
and after spending some time dry firing and handling the HK and looking at the maintenance requirements and parts availability sold it without firing a shot through it.
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Yeah, a trigger return spring every 35,000 rds and a cleaning every 7,000 rounds. That would scare me away too! sheesh.
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Edit: I have to add I bought a hk45 because I couldn't find the m&p45 model I wanted when I was looking.
 
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RememberTheSomme said:
Too the OP I have the Glock and the Sig, my son has the M&P 9. Great pistol, beautiful finish. Good trigger and the range and carry kit blows most other deals out of the water. I prefer the Glock, but that's purely from how I grip autos and nothing to do with the M&P. I will eventually get the M&P in .45, a cal I'm lacking at the moment.

I will mention only one issue we encountered with the M&P9 range kit. A small detail but potentially deadly if this gun was to be carried as a duty gun, which we have not to worry about.

These are fully ambidextrous pistol's recognizing the other 5% of shooters and rightfully so.

Problem is, when you configure the pistol for left hand use as in my son's case, and in particular the mag release stop, the follower's top left corner gets caught in the right hand use mag stop notch when round number seven passes the cutout. I've just filed, tapered and sanded the corners, but it hasn't been tried since so no conclusion on the results of my modification. He had it put back to right hand use, but after watching a video he did with all the mag issues in left hand, I finally decided to address the issue myself.
I contacted S&W intially when the gun was new concerning the follower not being compatible with left hand use, which they acknowledged as a problem with certain generations of followers and were going to ship me different followers pronto till they realized my address was Canada, so they said I had to go through S&W warranty here. I contacted a S&W dealer who couldn't help and who directed me to the importer, which ignored my email/emails not sure if two.

So a great deal in a 9mm pistol. Looks great and feels good. Accuracy seems on par with most duty type guns. Functions 100% as far as bullet weights from 115-147 or manufacturer is concerned. If you are planning a left hand set up however, be aware of the follower issue jamming in the mag, an issue on our generation pistol.

Cheers, RTS
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Get your son to try using his trigger finger to hit the mag release. I am right handed and switch the mag release to the right side and use my trigger finger to hit the mag release. Frankly, I find it much faster and easier having the mag release in my strong side. Some would say the gun comes set up for left hand shooters.

Take Care

Bob
 
RememberTheSomme said:
Too the OP I have the Glock and the Sig, my son has the M&P 9. Great pistol, beautiful finish. Good trigger and the range and carry kit blows most other deals out of the water. I prefer the Glock, but that's purely from how I grip autos and nothing to do with the M&P. I will eventually get the M&P in .45, a cal I'm lacking at the moment.

I will mention only one issue we encountered with the M&P9 range kit. A small detail but potentially deadly if this gun was to be carried as a duty gun, which we have not to worry about.

These are fully ambidextrous pistol's recognizing the other 5% of shooters and rightfully so.

Problem is, when you configure the pistol for left hand use as in my son's case, and in particular the mag release stop, the follower's top left corner gets caught in the right hand use mag stop notch when round number seven passes the cutout. I've just filed, tapered and sanded the corners, but it hasn't been tried since so no conclusion on the results of my modification. He had it put back to right hand use, but after watching a video he did with all the mag issues in left hand, I finally decided to address the issue myself.
I contacted S&W intially when the gun was new concerning the follower not being compatible with left hand use, which they acknowledged as a problem with certain generations of followers and were going to ship me different followers pronto till they realized my address was Canada, so they said I had to go through S&W warranty here. I contacted a S&W dealer who couldn't help and who directed me to the importer, which ignored my email/emails not sure if two.

So a great deal in a 9mm pistol. Looks great and feels good. Accuracy seems on par with most duty type guns. Functions 100% as far as bullet weights from 115-147 or manufacturer is concerned. If you are planning a left hand set up however, be aware of the follower issue jamming in the mag, an issue on our generation pistol.

Cheers, RTS
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im a left handed shooter and i havnt run into any problems with the guns so far.
i dont set my guns up left handed though, i leave the mag release set up for right handed as i like to hit it with my thumb, gives me the opportunity to visualize the chamber to make sure its clear.
and the slide release i only had one that was stuff for my left handed use but i gave it a very light polish and its fine now.
 
evolture said:
Yeah, a trigger return spring every 35,000 rds and a cleaning every 7,000 rounds. That would scare me away too! sheesh.
:rolleyes:

Edit: I have to add I bought a hk45 because I couldn't find the m&p45 model I wanted when I was looking.
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For me it was the recoil assembly sleeve every 4 months and the recoil assembly itself twice a year - neither one readily available. We all have different requirements. The worst thing about the HK45 apart from parts and cost, is the bore axis - that slide is high and massive. The trigger (especially the DA trigger) sucks - you can feel the trigger flex as the pull starts to stack - and it really does stack. I also didn't relish the thought of laying out another $1,000 for a decent amount of mags.
 
I'll second that MP's are hit or miss. I currently own an MP range kit. I purchased it new and it was manufactured in Jan 2012. Although a good value I spent an extra $250 making the trigger good. And although reliable and a fast shooter it isn't in the same category as Sig for accuracy. The crown of the barrel is rough and barrel to slide fit is horrible. Stock sights are garbage and the white dot does fall out a lot. Overall it's a good gun, but in reflection I would have purchased a used Sig for the money I've now put into this MP.
 
kandress the the slide fit has nothing to do with the accuracy of the gun. The M&P and Glocks lock up differently that the CZ/1911/SIG pistols. The only function the slide rails perform on the M&P/Glock is to keep the slide attached to the frame. To get a smooth lighter trigger all you had to do is order the Apex Enhancement kit for $97. or just their striker block for $35 and you would have had a smooth sub 5# trigger. Installation can be done in under an hour using a punch and small hammer.

Take Care

Bob
 
kandress said:
I'll second that MP's are hit or miss. I currently own an MP range kit. I purchased it new and it was manufactured in Jan 2012. Although a good value I spent an extra $250 making the trigger good. And although reliable and a fast shooter it isn't in the same category as Sig for accuracy. The crown of the barrel is rough and barrel to slide fit is horrible. Stock sights are garbage and the white dot does fall out a lot. Overall it's a good gun, but in reflection I would have purchased a used Sig for the money I've now put into this MP.
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You really shoot a DA first shot Sig better (more accurately) than an M&P??? As far as accuracy goes, I'm not accurate enough to be able to say one pistol is "more accurate" than another. They all shoot close to the same for me, I can't say I've noticed any pistol to be noticeably more accurate than another.
 
enefgee said:
You really shoot a DA first shot Sig better (more accurately) than an M&P??? As far as accuracy goes, I'm not accurate enough to be able to say one pistol is "more accurate" than another. They all shoot close to the same for me, I can't say I've noticed any pistol to be noticeably more accurate than another.
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+1, something about the archer not the arrow. From a rest though the CZ platform in SA is pretty tough to beat. Free style one shoots the same as the next in my hands.

Bob



Take Care

Bob
 
Avenida said:
Mp is garbage, mid quality out the mill that is hit and miss. You might get one that shoots ok, or one that shoots great, or one that shoots like ####, specially in the old models.
Being in Canada, you have access to made in Europe guns, specially those made in Germany (WINK WINK) lol. Why buying North American garbage?

I have had an mp, and after comparing to other polymer guns, I was absolutely dissapointed.
First and foremost, trigger, I didn't care about it but lot of people do. I was able to shot it right, but lots of people buy aftermarket sears and this and that to make it crisp, after you are done with that, you spent approx $200 more on the gun. That takes you to approximately $860 plus tax.
With that money you can buy a much better polymer gun (used) like a P30L from HK, or Walther, or even a GLOCK!. I don't shoot the Glock byt I will take one any day, all day, instead of the piece of #### MP.

And the RANGE KIT, I don't really see the value in it. There are people who love them, in most cases, they do not know better.
When I am shooting at the range, or competitions or anthing, I have people staring at my gun (P30L) and they ask me, what the hell is that? they have no clue. Most people think MP are great value or good because everybody bought one, or has one, or whatever, truth to be told: poorly manufactured, low quality workmanship. There are LOTS of better options out there, specially those made not in North America.

I am giving my opinion, and after this I will get 100 people beating me to death because of bashing the mp. There are better guns out there, if you don't know about them is because you have not seen them. Good guns cost more money, don't belive the internet hype, try it yourself and once you compared you will see the difference. Not a kool-aid drinker here, just sharing my experience. I have had many handguns and the mp was the worst quality one, I shot it great though, but it's a low quality piece compared to other makes.

The one I got, had a terrible bore. One way or the other, you will be disappointed with American made guns, quality is not what it was, specially when compared to gun made elsewhere.

I will never buy another SW product.

Now, gotta go and hide behind a rock. Cheers.
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The worst thing about owning an HK is dealing with the other people that own an HK.


As for the M&P, I have been eating crow since I finally shot one this past summer. My preference has always been for well made hardware from Europe and never gave the M&P a second look. I now own a M&P Pro in 9mm and can't say enough about this pistol. Ergonomics, accuracy, value, dependability, its all there. Yes the trigger needs help but you can either keep shooting as it will improve or go with any one of the Apex kits.
 
Forest1488 said:
The worst thing about owning an HK is dealing with the other people that own an HK.


As for the M&P, I have been eating crow since I finally shot one this past summer. My preference has always been for well made hardware from Europe and never gave the M&P a second look. I now own a M&P Pro in 9mm and can't say enough about this pistol. Ergonomics, accuracy, value, dependability, its all there. Yes the trigger needs help but you can either keep shooting as it will improve or go with any one of the Apex kits.
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^this +1.

Also I've done some reading and I've yet to find anyone giving high marks on HK triggers. Every reviewer more or less said HK triggers are ok but not really good and it takes more concentration and training to shoot HK triggers well.
 
That is internet hype. Try a lem, is as good as any DAO trigger.
Anyways, yes, the mp has a lot of good features. To me, when I compare those features, I really like the platform, when I look very closely is when I get disappointed. Do they both shoot? oh yeah.

Unlike Forest, I had the mp first and thought it was awesome until I got my first HK, then my first Walther, then I started comparing with Glock. Long story short, I sold the MP.

Personal preference, whatever. This will not prove anything, but I will not buy another SW product again.


mudgolem said:
^this +1.

Also I've done some reading and I've yet to find anyone giving high marks on HK triggers. Every reviewer more or less said HK triggers are ok but not really good and it takes more concentration and training to shoot HK triggers well.
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I'd like to add something extra on my take on the M&P pistol. Of all the combat pistols I have owned or shot over the years, and remember I prefer Glock to anything else deemed Duty/Combat gun by the masses,..... the M&P,.. at the very least,.. looks the part completely of a Pistol worthy to be stamped "Military & Police".;):canadaFlag:
 
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