Huskemaw optics and the Best of the west clowns

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What I am getting at is that if an animal is hit how the heck is it going to know the difference near or far unless it has the holy resurrection?

After all we are trying to kill the animal not send warning shots over the bow.Not sure what kind of hunting you are doing but I try to hit the animal , not avoid it. ;)

Brian46 said:
having watched a few animals in the wild, there is a big difference in how they react depending on the proximity of the noise, gunfire in the distance rarely makes them run or even gets much of a reaction yet the closer the gunfire gets the greater the response seems to be from the animal.

Do the animals know the exact range, no, but I think they can tell if it is a noise close by or far away and that is all that really matters to them.
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pinkmoon said:
I enjoy most of the outdoor and huntimg programs that I watch. I understand that they have an obligation to promote their sponsors and their products. After watching a few episodes of "the best of the west" I could not get over the non stop hyping of the Huskemaw optics. In addition to the over hyping of an extreamly overpriced range of optics they seem to promote hunters with very limited shooting backgrounds taking long range ( and in my opinion unethical ) shots at animals.
This is by far the worst show currently on the wild TV line up that I have seen. I was wondering if anyone has watched these episodes and what your thoughts are on the program...maybe it is just me who thinks these guys are a bunch of clowns
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Getting back to the original post, I don't think they are clowns. Clowns make you laugh by doing funny things. These guys are trying to "entertain" people by shooting at animals at extreme long range.

It would be interesting to see a show "Best Of The West Extreme Short Range Shooting and Hunting". They would try to get as close to game as possible and make killing shots at 50, 40, 30, 20, and less yards.

Of course they would have to have very talented hunters star in the show. No 13year old girls who had little hunting experience. No half blind chimpanzees that sheephunter was coaching to touch the trigger on a rifle welded into a lead sled.



"Best of The West" has a facebook page and a picture gallery. On it there are pictures of hunters and game. It doesn't tell you the score of the animal. It doesn't tell you how much fun the hunter had. But it does tell you how far the shot was. Which is really the most important thing about hunting right?
 
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Not sure if you are being deliberately obtuse Kelly? Or do you simply not see the difference between a large boom in close proximity in conjunction with a hit, or simply a hit with noise that may or may not be attributed to it?

I remember shooting at a coyote on a windy day 15 or 20 years back with a 6mm, while my buddy was using a 22/250. Probably in the neighborhood of 1600+ yards after we'd jumped up beside the hen house. We missed him two or three times inside 250 as he ran over the break towards the river bottom, as hard as he could go. Once he trotted out into sight again we resumed shooting. That coyote did not make the connection that the puffs of snow around him were bullets, because he would immediately pounce on them. Must have figured they were mice.
 
Are we talking about the animal getting hit or his buddy Carl standing beside him? ;)

Put it to ya like this...................If I hear a small boom, then I "bang flop" after a moment or I bang flop immediately upon the shot, how am I going to develop a reaction to the shot aside from expiring?

There is NO WAY to determine how a wild animal will react to a large OR small noise near or far , I have seen deer shot(80 yards or so) and yes, bang flops , Larry and Mona still standing there wondering what the frig just happened to Nestor's legs and why he isn't standing anymore.On the same note I have also seen dear take off running at larger distances from single shots.

Some of them have memories like cats others like elephants.Just cannot expect them to develop a consistent reaction to anything aside from fire , wind and rain, they are animals after all.

Anybody ever miss at animal at close range and have them keep walking closer? ;) Seen that more than once.

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Not sure if you are being deliberately obtuse Kelly? Or do you simply not see the difference between a large boom in close proximity in conjunction with a hit, or simply a hit with noise that may or may not be attributed to it?

I remember shooting at a coyote on a windy day 15 or 20 years back with a 6mm, while my buddy was using a 22/250. Probably in the neighborhood of 1600+ yards after we'd jumped up beside the hen house. We missed him two or three times inside 250 as he ran over the break towards the river bottom, as hard as he could go. Once he trotted out into sight again we resumed shooting. That coyote did not make the connection that the puffs of snow around him were bullets, because he would immediately pounce on them. Must have figured they were mice.
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sheephunter said:
I wasn't talking long range...I was talking similar flight times of the projectiles. How long does it take your arrow to fly 40 yards?
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Most modern bows shoot around 300fps some slower some quicker most archers are trying to achieve around 300fps if the arrow weight, draw weight, and draw length allows,....40 yards is 120 feet....based on 300fps the time of flight is roughly 0.4 seconds. Based on 250fps which is quite slow for a modern bow the time of flight is 0.48 seconds.

About the same amount of time it takes a 129gr bullet with a muzzle velocity of 3050fps to travel roughly 425yards (@0.48 sec) or 360yards (@0.40 sec)

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lefty-Cunuck said:
Most modern bows shoot around 300fps some slower some quicker most archers are trying to achieve around 300fps if the arrow weight, draw weight, and draw length allows,....40 yards is 120 feet....based on 300fps the time of flight is roughly 0.4 seconds. Based on 250fps which is quite slow for a modern bow the time of flight is 0.48 seconds.

About the same amount of time it takes a 129gr bullet with a muzzle velocity of 3050fps to travel roughly 425yards (@0.48 sec) or 360yards (@0.40 sec)

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Your calculations would be good if the arrow didn't lose velocity as it travelled...damn that law of physics. Plus the animal hears you release before the arrow gets there vs a bullet that gets there before the sound. Damn that speed of sound....lol Just pointing out the hypocrisy of a few of the posters on here.....I'm all for bow hunting by those skilled enough to do it...similar to long range hunting. Nice to see the gang all here now :)
 
True...

Here is a table....pretty close using 305fps

Arrow speed (downrange): 92.95 m/s -- 304.96 fps

Time to reach 20 meters: 0.21 sec
Time to reach 40 meters: 0.42 sec



I calculated the following sight marks (relative to 20.0 m sightmark):
for 18 meters, move sight pin 0.10 cm up (time in flight = 0.19 sec)
for 30 meters, move sight pin 0.50 cm down (time in flight = 0.32 sec)
for 50 meters, move sight pin 1.50 cm down (time in flight = 0.53 sec)
for 70 meters, move sight pin 2.50 cm down (time in flight = 0.75 sec)
for 90 meters, move sight pin 3.51 cm down (time in flight = 0.96 sec)



Detailed sight mark table, relative to 20.0 m sightmark:
Distance Sight pin offset Launch angle Time in flight
10m 0.50 cm up 0.28 degrees 0.10 sec
15m 0.25 cm up 0.44 degrees 0.15 sec
20m 0.00 cm down 0.61 degrees 0.21 sec
25m 0.25 cm down 0.77 degrees 0.26 sec
30m 0.50 cm down 0.93 degrees 0.32 sec
35m 0.75 cm down 1.09 degrees 0.37 sec
40m 1.00 cm down 1.26 degrees 0.42 sec
45m 1.25 cm down 1.42 degrees 0.48 sec
50m 1.50 cm down 1.58 degrees 0.53 sec
55m 1.75 cm down 1.74 degrees 0.58 sec
60m 2.00 cm down 1.91 degrees 0.64 sec
65m 2.25 cm down 2.07 degrees 0.69 sec
70m 2.50 cm down 2.23 degrees 0.75 sec
75m 2.75 cm down 2.40 degrees 0.80 sec
80m 3.01 cm down 2.56 degrees 0.85 sec
85m 3.26 cm down 2.72 degrees 0.91 sec
90m 3.51 cm down 2.89 degrees 0.96 sec
95m 3.76 cm down 3.05 degrees 1.02 sec
100m 4.01 cm down 3.21 degrees 1.07 sec



Detailed yard sight mark table, relative to 20.0 m sightmark:
Distance Sight pin offset Launch angle Time in flight
10yd 0.21 inches up 0.25 degrees 0.09 sec
15yd 0.12 inches up 0.40 degrees 0.14 sec
20yd 0.03 inches up 0.55 degrees 0.19 sec
25yd 0.06 inches down 0.70 degrees 0.24 sec
30yd 0.15 inches down 0.85 degrees 0.29 sec
35yd 0.24 inches down 1.00 degrees 0.34 sec
40yd 0.33 inches down 1.14 degrees 0.39 sec
45yd 0.42 inches down 1.29 degrees 0.44 sec
50yd 0.51 inches down 1.44 degrees 0.48 sec
55yd 0.60 inches down 1.59 degrees 0.53 sec
60yd 0.69 inches down 1.74 degrees 0.58 sec
65yd 0.78 inches down 1.89 degrees 0.63 sec
70yd 0.87 inches down 2.04 degrees 0.68 sec
75yd 0.96 inches down 2.19 degrees 0.73 sec
80yd 1.05 inches down 2.34 degrees 0.78 sec
85yd 1.14 inches down 2.49 degrees 0.83 sec
90yd 1.23 inches down 2.63 degrees 0.88 sec
95yd 1.32 inches down 2.78 degrees 0.93 sec
100yd 1.41 inches down 2.93 degrees 0.98 sec


Here is a table with a slower bow....closer to average speed.



Arrow speed (downrange): 81.55 m/s -- 267.55 fps

Time to reach 20 meters: 0.24 sec
Time to reach 40 meters: 0.48 sec



I calculated the following sight marks (relative to 20.0 m sightmark):
for 18 meters, move sight pin 0.13 cm up (time in flight = 0.21 sec)
for 30 meters, move sight pin 0.65 cm down (time in flight = 0.36 sec)
for 50 meters, move sight pin 1.95 cm down (time in flight = 0.60 sec)
for 70 meters, move sight pin 3.26 cm down (time in flight = 0.85 sec)
for 90 meters, move sight pin 4.57 cm down (time in flight = 1.10 sec)



Detailed sight mark table, relative to 20.0 m sightmark:
Distance Sight pin offset Launch angle Time in flight
10m 0.65 cm up 0.36 degrees 0.11 sec
15m 0.32 cm up 0.58 degrees 0.18 sec
20m 0.00 cm down 0.79 degrees 0.24 sec
25m 0.32 cm down 1.00 degrees 0.30 sec
30m 0.65 cm down 1.21 degrees 0.36 sec
35m 0.97 cm down 1.42 degrees 0.42 sec
40m 1.30 cm down 1.63 degrees 0.48 sec
45m 1.63 cm down 1.84 degrees 0.54 sec
50m 1.95 cm down 2.06 degrees 0.60 sec
55m 2.28 cm down 2.27 degrees 0.67 sec
60m 2.60 cm down 2.48 degrees 0.73 sec
65m 2.93 cm down 2.69 degrees 0.79 sec
70m 3.26 cm down 2.90 degrees 0.85 sec
75m 3.58 cm down 3.12 degrees 0.91 sec
80m 3.91 cm down 3.33 degrees 0.97 sec
85m 4.24 cm down 3.54 degrees 1.04 sec
90m 4.57 cm down 3.75 degrees 1.10 sec
95m 4.90 cm down 3.97 degrees 1.16 sec
100m 5.23 cm down 4.18 degrees 1.22 sec



Detailed yard sight mark table, relative to 20.0 m sightmark:
Distance Sight pin offset Launch angle Time in flight
10yd 0.28 inches up 0.33 degrees 0.10 sec
15yd 0.16 inches up 0.52 degrees 0.16 sec
20yd 0.04 inches up 0.71 degrees 0.22 sec
25yd 0.07 inches down 0.91 degrees 0.27 sec
30yd 0.19 inches down 1.10 degrees 0.33 sec
35yd 0.31 inches down 1.29 degrees 0.38 sec
40yd 0.42 inches down 1.49 degrees 0.44 sec
45yd 0.54 inches down 1.68 degrees 0.50 sec
50yd 0.66 inches down 1.87 degrees 0.55 sec
55yd 0.78 inches down 2.07 degrees 0.61 sec
60yd 0.89 inches down 2.26 degrees 0.66 sec
65yd 1.01 inches down 2.46 degrees 0.72 sec
70yd 1.13 inches down 2.65 degrees 0.78 sec
75yd 1.25 inches down 2.84 degrees 0.83 sec
80yd 1.36 inches down 3.04 degrees 0.89 sec
85yd 1.48 inches down 3.23 degrees 0.95 sec
90yd 1.60 inches down 3.43 degrees 1.00 sec
95yd 1.72 inches down 3.62 degrees 1.06 sec
100yd 1.84 inches down 3.82 degrees 1.12 sec
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Duffy said:
"Best of The West" has a facebook page and a picture gallery. On it there are pictures of hunters and game. It doesn't tell you the score of the animal. It doesn't tell you how much fun the hunter had. But it does tell you how far the shot was. Which is really the most important thing about hunting right?
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B&C has a great website that includes score with every picture if that's the most important thing to you. Cool thing about the internet is that it has something for everyone. :)
 
Time for a new TV series.

It will be filmed here in Sask, open prairies of course.Long range bow hunting will be the basis of the program with emphasis on bang flops.It will of course be endorsed by Hoyt and Slick Trick! :)
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
Time for a new TV series.

It will be filmed here in Sask, open prairies of course.Long range bow hunting will be the basis of the program with emphasis on bang flops.It will of course be endorsed by Hoyt and Slick Trick! :)
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You looking for another gig as a stand-in shooter ;)
 
lefty-Cunuck said:
I shot my elk at 40 yards this year....he looked at me just when I came to full draw and the arrow was in and out of him before he moved an inch.

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Pretty much the same as the one I shot at 600 yards with my 270WSM this year..... except mine didn't move an inch. :)
 
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