Pamela Anderson make offer to Canadian Sealer’s Association

If that bottle blond spent even 1/100th of the time in a little NFLD outport such as I am in right now, that she spends trying to re-capture that long ago squandered youth while spouting B.S. from every hole in her body, she just might see that sometimes, pride in self work cannot be BOUGHT. The people here spend most of their time trying to get any money they can. There are no guarantees from one month to the next. And if that "cute" little seal means food in their kids mouth, well , guess what. Life is pretty harsh here at the best of times, and its easy to dictate to others how to live when you are a millionaire. Try to spend a week in someones boots down here. The option to let the seals swim off doesn't exist. They HAVE TO GET IT. Some people don't , and will NEVER understand. They just can't picture a life so bleak, yet so beautiful. Life has been this way here for longer than quills have been writing records of the hardships. It warmed my heart this evening when one of the men had his 12 year old down trying to show him "The WAY". Proper shot placement, retrieval methods, ice pan hopping, JUST THE WAY HIS OLD MAN SHOWED HIM. (mind you this 12 year old has been pounding the atlantic waves with his old man for 2 years. He's pretty crusty for a kid!!!!) Traditions are VERY STRONG AND IMPORTANT here, and they won't be going anywhere soon. Pamela just needs to go back to La-La land and play pretend with the other out of touch morons.
 
AndrewNS said:
First off, I never said that shooting a seal would get PETA off there backs, I said that IN MY OPINION it would be less barbaric.
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You're absolutely entitled to an opinion. But it ought to be an educated opinion. Wouldn't you agree? That opinion is next to worthless, when it is based on the propaganda that PETA and their ilk are spewing and not on the scientific evidence that I have already provided. That I cannot respect.

Next, my view of "one shot, one kill" was quite clearly outlined as "a very good chance" not as anything else. If you are saying that it is impossible to kill an animal with one shot I would be willing to bet that there are a lot here that will disagree with you. Yes, there are times when hunting that a second shot is necessary to complete the job, but it is not a given. As previously stated, with a rifle you have A VERY GOOD CHANCE to achieve one shot, one kill WITH PROPER SHOT PLACEMENT.
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You're not a hunter. So you have no idea if this is true or not. But I will tell you this, from first hand experience, that even if your shot is perfectly placed in the vitals (the heart and lungs), death is not immediate. Unlike with a crushing blow to a thin skulled animal.

Now, as for your fourth comment... Maybe the club is capable of killing with one shot, however, it is far from a given.
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It is much more a "given" than your scenario of delivering a bullet into the vitals from a distance, I can assure you of that. The sealer is right there, on the scene, to deliver a second blow if it is necessary. Unlike in the firearm scenario, where the hunter must walk some distance to reach the game, or if the animal is still moving, hope for the opportunity to make a second shot.

As far as the suffering of the animal goes, I must ask who it is that you think you are making a statement like this?? Where is it that you get the idea that the suffering of an animal is not an issue for me?? Can you please, with your excellent quoting skills, show me where it is that I made that statement??
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I don't need to, because you do it for me here:

I did state that I am fine with others doing the killing of the animals that I purchase for food, however I aslo stated that I purchase ALL of my meat at a local butcher where the kills are done humainly.
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Again, I will ask what is the "humane" method used by your butcher? Where does your leather come from?

You should try it some time, the meat is much better for you and better tasting. But maybe the things that happen at the big slaughter places are ok with you. Don't ask, don't tell, right?
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For the record, I buy meat at the grocer that came from a commercial slaughterhouse, I also buy meat from my local farmer, and I also kill and butcher my own wild meat. I don't live in hypocrisy, thinking that somehow all of the things I eat and use were able to be magically provided without any death or suffering. Whether it was killed by my hand or someone else's, or whether an animal's natural environment was destroyed somewhere in a distant country so that a plastic product can be made, I am well aware of the consequences of my living on this planet. Something that probably you ought to spend some time thinking about, because from here it sounds like you're living in a fantasy world.
 
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AndrewNS said:
Well... For the cost of a bullet, I can't see any reason to hunt with a club... Effective or not, it is still a little barbaric to kill something by beating it in the head with a stick. In my opinion, if it takes more than one hit to make the kill, it isn't humane.
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I killed thousands of pigs, 6 lb hammer and a sticker knife, they never saw or felt a thing....shooting them more humane??? I DON'T THINK SO!!
 
CV32 said:
You're absolutely entitled to an opinion. But it ought to be an educated opinion. Wouldn't you agree? That opinion is next to worthless, when it is based on the propaganda that PETA and their ilk are spewing and not on the scientific evidence that I have already provided. That I cannot respect.
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Having you respect my opinion is of little concern to me.


CV32 said:
You're not a hunter. So you have no idea if this is true or not. But I will tell you this, from first hand experience, that even if your shot is perfectly placed in the vitals (the heart and lungs), death is not immediate. Unlike with a crushing blow to a thin skulled animal.
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Just because I don't hunt doesn't mean that I am oblivious to the fact that animals don't drop like a sack of bricks when shot, and you shouldn't assume that it does. I also never said anything about taking a shot at a seal, which is what we are talking about here, from a distance. Why can't the seal be shot, in it's apparently very soft head which would make death instant, with a barrel feet away to insure a well placed shot?



CV32 said:
It is much more a "given" than your scenario of delivering a bullet into the vitals from a distance, I can assure you of that. The sealer is right there, on the scene, to deliver a second blow if it is necessary. Unlike in the firearm scenario, where the hunter must walk some distance to reach the game, or if the animal is still moving, hope for the opportunity to make a second shot.
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Again, I never said anything about taking a shot from any distance.


CV32 said:
I don't need to, because you do it for me here:
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Is english your first language? Where do I, or have I ever, said that I am ok with someone making an animal suffer?? Quite the opposite actually, I said that I purchase my meat from a butcher that makes every attempt to insure that the animal doesn't suffer.


CV32 said:
Again, I will ask what is the "humane" method used by your butcher? Where does your leather come from?
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Animals are led into the slaughter room, one at a time, and quickly killed. No suffering. It is done by means of electric shock followed by cutting of main arteries.

These animals are not kept in substandard conditions, they are not shipped on trucks that can cause injury to them, they are slaughtered at the farm that raises them.

I'm not sure what it is that you are refering to when you ask "Where does your leather come from?"... I don't own leather jackets, and I don't have use for many leather products, so what is it that you are refering to?


CV32 said:
For the record, I buy meat at the grocer that came from a commercial slaughterhouse, I also buy meat from my local farmer, and I also kill and butcher my own wild meat. I don't live in hypocrisy, thinking that somehow all of the things I eat and use were able to be magically provided without any death or suffering.Whether it was killed by my hand or someone else's, or whether an animal's natural environment was destroyed somewhere in a distant country so that a plastic product can be made, I am well aware of the consequences of my living on this planet. Something that probably you ought to spend some time thinking about, because from here it sounds like you're living in a fantasy world.
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From there... Yes, that's right, you have no idea who I am, what I am aware of, or what my lifestyle is. I would guarantee you that my conciousness of how the human race impacts the earth and the other creatures that inhabit it is far greater than most. I am far from living in a fantasy world. And how is it exactly that you have this great insight into my life? Because I have an opinion about hitting an animal on the head with a club to kill it? That screams fantasy world to me...



Any way, I'm done with this pointless conversation with you now. You can climb down off of your soap box, unless you have someone else to judge without knowing anything about them.
 
I don't know alot about processing seal hides - but when I trapped as a kid I used to asphyxiate weasels and mink - usually took about a minute with steady pressure through a havey moosehide mitt. It may have been quicker to shoot in the head with a 22 - but the problem also rested around fittling the hide to a stretcher and sewing holes. Not to mention the degredation of the pelt with additional sewing.

My guess is the fellows doing the harvest may have reasons to do it the way they do - and the direct connection they have to the harvest with that method means they have a direct connection with the sacrifice of the animal, and the gift that it provides.

Just my .02
 
I'll say this, if someone was going to kill me I'd rather be clubbed over the head than shot in the lung and left to drown in my out blood 10-15 min later, and I have a pretty thick head.
I've tracked a deer 200 yards just to later find out the top third of its heart was blown apart and it had a hole in each lung. A perfect shot as far as I'm concerned, and it went 200 yards. I've never hunted a seal but I can't imagine one going 200 yards after getting its brain crushed.

But we should be arguing with PETA not each other.
 
stubblejumper said:
It's downright embarrassing, to have to admit, that Anderson is Canadian.
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Nah man, you're looking at this all wrong. It's the exceptions that prove the rule. She's a ditzy, ignorant, loud-mouthed, no-talent, one-trick-pony. She's the exception that proves that Canadians really are happy, well-mannered, friendly, pleasant and knowledgeable people.
 
30-06BangStix said:
I'll say this, if someone was going to kill me I'd rather be clubbed over the head than shot in the lung and left to drown in my out blood 10-15 min later, and I have a pretty thick head.
I've tracked a deer 200 yards just to later find out the top third of its heart was blown apart and it had a hole in each lung. A perfect shot as far as I'm concerned, and it went 200 yards. I've never hunted a seal but I can't imagine one going 200 yards after getting its brain crushed.

But we should be arguing with PETA not each other.
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Yes but I would like to see you get close enough to a deer to whack it over the head :p;)
 
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