Huskemaw optics and the Best of the west clowns

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Well if you make a bad shot at a long distance it is just that more difficult to pick up a blood trail and find your animal....that takes skill :)

More skill than the bow hunter who takes 40 yard and less shots :)

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muckwa said:
Anyone one give the optics a try?
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i ve tried by -25c plus wind at the range a blue diamond one at the same time i had a bushnell 6500 and i wasnt impressed by the blue diamond.

two things ; those two scopes are coming from the same factory in Japan LOW and secondly the Canadian distributor is strongly giving a price to the dealers and you cant sell it below ....

hope it answers your question
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
Unfortunately hunting is mostly luck.At all distances.

Accurate shot placement bow/rifle/rock/spear, that is where skills are developed.
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That's right, hunting is mostly luck, therefore I increase my luck by utilizing good hunting skills prior to the shot. Shooting an animal at extreme distances does not define a hunting skill, only a shooting/killing skill. Times sure have changed in the hunting world but I'll will keep hunting utilizing the basic fundamentals of good old skill and when a good broadside shot presents itself at a reasonable distance for a humane kill, that's when I pull the trigger.
 
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Brian46 said:
I guess you believe the animals just appear out of thin air after you buy a long range setup to hunt with?
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Long distance, short distance firearms it doesn't matter, big game do appear out of thin air. Sit on a mountain top, cut line, forest fringe and looked what just appeared, where did he come from? The skill of pursuit should kick in if that animal is at an extreme distance by either walking, crawling, reading the wind, reading the animal, etc. Allowing a bullet to pursue that animal at an extreme distance is not a hunting skill.........there is a vast difference between a hunting and shooting skill. Unfortunately technology such as lazer range finders, wind meters, high BC bullets, etc. has replaced true hunting skills with shooting skills.
 
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PRACTICE....Hes talking about PRACTICE. Not the game. Were talking about PRACTICE.

Most people shouldn't be taking those shots. Me included. Channeling my inner Alan Iverson aside, if you want to take those shots it is all about practice. The Game where i live in BC, seldom requires those shots. Even here if one goes looking for them i suppose, on seizmic right of ways, or in the high alpine its hard to find 600 yard shots. Those "clowns" take 700 to 1000 commonly, why....wait for it... they PRACTICE.

I consider myself a average shot. Given a 10,000 rifle "system" like the Best of the West or Long range pursuit would i be better, sure. If i use Tiger Woods golf clubs does that make me him, ridiculous. Just like Woods those guys on those shows do it for a living. They Practice. If they didn't there would be no show; given the premise of the show, they can't show misses.
Cut the cost of your practice in half by reloading and tuning your rifle. Then shoot twice as much for the same money. Even then you will be only half as good as you think you are, shooting at game in the field, not paper at a controlled range/bench.
Guys in Africa miss giant animals at short range all the time. Shooting at ranges beyond your limits at much smaller animals, unethical. Anyone who hasn't missed shooting at a animal is either a liar or hasn't hunted much. The range in golf trims the handicap. In hunting, the range translates to one shot one kill. What a letdown after all that practice. Where's my duck decoys.

Bryan

PS: 37 pages...really...hit a nerve or that guy is the most successful troll in history
 
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alberta tactical rifle said:
You really don't have any clue at all do you. I seriously doubt you could be convinced as it appears your mind is totally closed.
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Yup your probably right, thank goodness that I'm still old school with old hunting techniques, skills, and traditions..........that's me! Now what "hunting skill" is there in extreme (800 to 1,000 yards) long distance killing/shooting?
 
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How much do some of these productions cost?
How many CGN subscribers could afford such a venture?
What would someone reasonable expect to pay for the rifle, scope, range finder, ballistic compensator, load development, wind speed indicator, and related equipment.
Now there are the costs of the hunt, licences, tags, guides, transportation and lodging.
Then there are the production costs for cameras, producers, staff, outfitters, and miscellaneous equipment.
Finally . . . what is the cost of a missed shot either by the cameraman or the shooter.
Granted they have sponsors but I for one record the program and then run the ads at high speed.
Ethically, the high fives, shouting, laughing and hollering does not resemble any hunt I have ever been on. They were definitely subdued on Long Range Pursuit when the wind was misjudged and the animal displayed the symptoms of a gut shot.
Realistically, after the shot is when the work begins. I have yet to see the game skinned, quartered and packed out; perhaps that would be too realistic.
 
track said:
Long distance, short distance firearms it doesn't matter, big game do appear out of thin air. Sit on a mountain top, cut line, forest fringe and looked what just appeared, where did he come from? The skill of pursuit should kick in if that animal is at an extreme distance by either walking, crawling, reading the wind, reading the animal, etc. Allowing a bullet to pursue that animal at an extreme distance is not a hunting skill.........there is a vast difference between a hunting and shooting skill. Unfortunately technology such as lazer range finders, wind meters, high BC bullets, etc. has replaced true hunting skills with shooting skills.
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It appears that the whole idea of hunting has been lost in your eyes, simply getting out in the woods and looking for animals/sign is a skill (not just driving around in a pickup), but it does not appear so in your eyes. Being a practiced marksmen who trains in those exact woods is another hunting skill yet unrecognised by you? (practising on a bench is not a skill that transfers to hunting unless you take the bench with you IMO)

I will assume by your pic and location in your avatar that you have little experience with hunting in BC and the difficulty of actually finding an open location that holds game that will allow for long range shots. This in itself is a challenge which requires lots of pre season scout work and even some during season because many animals move in to much tighter areas on opening day where a long range shot is impossible. I don't particularly set out to hunt only at long range, I actually carry a much lighter rifle and will get within a comfortable range to take that animal wether it be spot and stalk or wait for the animal to close the distance. I will go get my long range rifle if a stubborn animal presents itself as you can take your time at long distances without spooking the animal or I will actually pack it with me on the snow crusted mornings where spot and stalk methods will be impossible. It is simply another tool I have added to my 30 plus years of "hunting skills" that you do not recognise that allows me a new skill to deploy and be successful in my hunt to provide meat for my family.


track said:
That's right, hunting is mostly luck, therefore I increase my luck by utilizing good hunting skills prior to the shot. Shooting an animal at extreme distances does not define a hunting skill, only a shooting/killing skill. Times sure have changed in the hunting world but I'll will keep hunting utilizing the basic fundamentals of good old skill and when a good broadside shot presents itself at a reasonable distance for a humane kill, that's when I pull the trigger.
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Basically from this post I am now seeing how you look at things, Basically you only consider "hunting skill" what you do between spotting the animal and making the kill shot and in your eyes if you just pull a gun and shoot that is not skill.......am I correct?

If I am you must also have problems with road hunters, still hunters, etc because they also just pull a gun and shoot when an animal presents itself......It appears that only a spot and stalk method is "hunting skill" in your eyes and anyone else has no "hunting skill".

Please correct me if I am wrong about the opinion I see portrayed in your above posts, I dont like to misunderstand the internet.
 
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track said:
Yup your probably right, thank goodness that I'm still old school with old hunting techniques, skills, and traditions..........that's me! Now what "hunting skill" is there in extreme (800 to 1,000 yards) long distance killing/shooting?
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you know, long range hunting is not my personal "thing" either, but I can't understand why you feel the need to put them down and pump yourself up.

TO EACH THEIR OWN. If your not interested, why are you reading this thread?
Its legal, and not hurting you, so leave it alone. Surely you have something important in life to worry about, as opposed to attacking others.
 
Brian46 said:
It appears that the whole idea of hunting has been lost in your eyes, simply getting out in the woods and looking for animals/sign is a skill (not just driving around in a pickup), but it does not appear so in your eyes. Being a practiced marksmen who trains in those exact woods is another hunting skill yet unrecognised by you? (practising on a bench is not a skill that transfers to hunting unless you take the bench with you IMO)

I will assume by your pic and location in your avatar that you have little experience with hunting in BC and the difficulty of actually finding an open location that holds game that will allow for long range shots. This in itself is a challenge which requires lots of pre season scout work and even some during season because many animals move in to much tighter areas on opening day where a long range shot is impossible. I don't particularly set out to hunt only at long range, I actually carry a much lighter rifle and will get within a comfortable range to take that animal wether it be spot and stalk or wait for the animal to close the distance. I will go get my long range rifle if a stubborn animal presents itself as you can take your time at long distances without spooking the animal or I will actually pack it with me on the snow crusted mornings where spot and stalk methods will be impossible. It is simply another tool I have added to my 30 plus years of "hunting skills" that you do not recognise that allows me a new skill to deploy and be successful in my hunt to provide meat for my family.


Basically from this post I am now seeing how you look at things, Basically you only consider "hunting skill" what you do between spotting the animal and making the kill shot and in your eyes if you just pull a gun and shoot that is not skill.......am I correct?

If I am you must also have problems with road hunters, still hunters, etc because they also just pull a gun and shoot when an animal presents itself......It appears that only a spot and stalk method is "hunting skill" in your eyes and anyone else has no "hunting skill".

Please correct me if I am wrong about the opinion I see portrayed in your above posts, I dont like to misunderstand the internet.
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I'm not really interested in your miniature biography nor will I answer questions that you "assume" where or how I hunt. If you want to know a "little" about me you may visit some of my previous threads, however; I'm sticking to this subject matter regarding extreme long distance killing. There was a simple question that I asked, and that was "where is the hunting skill in extreme long distance killing?"........ a simple question. Besides BOTW reading a lazer range finder, wind meter, tactical reticle and turrets, where is the sport, challenge, hunting skill to kill an animal at 800 to 1,000 yards?

PS: *Warning* I'm and old fart who is relentless.
 
track said:
I'm not really interested in your miniature biography nor will I answer questions that you "assume" where or how I hunt. If you want to know a "little" about me you may visit some of my previous threads, however; I'm sticking to this subject matter regarding extreme long distance killing. There was a simple question that I asked, and that was "where is the hunting skill in extreme long distance killing?"........ a simple question. Besides BOTW reading a lazer range finder, wind meter, tactical reticle and turrets, where is the sport, challenge, hunting skill to kill an animal at 800 to 1,000 yards?

PS: *Warning* I'm and old fart who is relentless.
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well, if you want to just talk about the shooting part and negate all the skill and techniques used that get you to that point, where is the sport, challenge, hunting skill to kill an animal at the ranges you feel comfortable? all you are doing is close range killing, where is your "hunting skill"?


A very inexperienced hunter can bail out of a truck and shoot an animal at point blank range (see it quite often and requires absolutely no hunting skill or experience), but can that same inexperienced hunter bail out of a truck with his rifle and take an animal at 800yds with no optics or shooting experience/training? is an inexperienced hunter even going to spot an animal at 800 while driving?


If you expect me to research what kind of person/hunter you are rather than answering the questions asked, I suggest you do the same of other hunters before posting assumptions that they have no "hunting skill" and are just long range killers in your eyes.
 
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Brian46 said:
well, if you want to just talk about the shooting part and negate all the skill and techniques used that get you to that point, where is the sport, challenge, hunting skill to kill an animal at the ranges you feel comfortable? all you are doing is close range killing, where is your "hunting skill"?


A very inexperienced hunter can bail out of a truck and shoot an animal at point blank range (see it quite often and requires absolutely no hunting skill or experience), but can that same inexperienced hunter bail out of a truck with his rifle and take an animal at 800yds with no optics or shooting experience/training? is an inexperienced hunter even going to spot an animal at 800 while driving?


If you expect me to research what kind of person/hunter you are rather than answering the questions asked, I suggest you do the same of other hunters before posting assumptions that they have no "hunting skill" and are just long range killers in your eyes.
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Brian QUIT feeding the troll!!
he has already admitted being old/senile and not willing to listen.
Save your key board, he is not worth the stress.:cheers:
 
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