Disagreeing with other hunters
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I have not been around very long, and only started posting on a regular basis recently.
I've learned a LOT on CGN, and I owe the commuity a sicere thank you.
While reading and learning, I found that a thread looses all of it's interest, information, knowledge
and intelligent information when it takes a sudden tangent and a silly off-topic argument/discussion starts.
All the relevant information is washed away.
It's like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
I'm still a fan, and will keep reading.
I've learned a LOT on CGN, and I owe the commuity a sicere thank you.
While reading and learning, I found that a thread looses all of it's interest, information, knowledge
and intelligent information when it takes a sudden tangent and a silly off-topic argument/discussion starts.
All the relevant information is washed away.
It's like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
I'm still a fan, and will keep reading.
Bingo! I belong to a forum on another site, where threads like the thread about Huskemaw scopes, and BOTW would go on for many pages, just as it did on this forum. Then one particular individual, that behaves exactly as is quoted above, left the forum, and now those runaway threads are much, much, less common.
LOL, I think a lot of us have had the same experience. A common denominator??
I enjoy a spirited debate, BUT, all too often on this site, it digresses to idiocracy and name calling, lacking respect and having little semblance to the original topic. It seems that few recognize the difference between facts and opinion and it seems when someone posts a fact there are 10 opinions telling them they are wrong.
I ran into this on the 9.3X300 WM thread I posted a few months back regarding the velocities I posted as measured by my Oehler 35P. Some still posted that it wasn't possible, even after I posted photos of the printout and photos of the fired cases with primers still intact and still slightly rounded. I am not daunted though and will continue to contribute to these forums, knowing that my experiences will be questioned by those whose knowledge is gleaned from the internet and other questionable sources.
It seems to me that the "old boys club" on here, referred to earlier, almost always agree and seldom have any arguments within, but meet real resistance when voicing experiences not well covered on the internet. This is when the inexperienced and opinionated seem to become most vocal. I view this as the greatest cause of irrational debate and argument on this site, the uninformed attempting to defend positions that common sense and experience have proven to be incorrect. A perfect example of this is bullet construction, when one has thrown hundreds or even thousands of bullets at game and harvested 100s of head of game, it gives one an experience base as to what works and what doesn't. A single bullet failure is enough to rule that bullet out as appropriate for game, however the inexperienced seem to think that a single bullet success makes it acceptable for game and that just isn't how it works out there. Do they listen to the old boys with hundreds of animals taken? No, they base their opinion on one or two successful uses and what they see on TV. I have only been on CGN for 2 years and have seen this debate several times now and still it amazes me how many think that pseudo hunting, match bullets are appropriate for all types of hunting and game, when every single hunter on here with a large experience base has experienced one or more failures with these bullets.
Another is sub-calibers for big game which will cause many pages of opinions to be expressed, with "the old boys club" being fairly united against the proposition because they have seen what can go wrong when using even adequate calibers for game. And again it comes down to the fact that one failure that shouldn't have happened, one lost animal, trumps 10 successes!!
Like I said, I enjoy a spirited debate between two or more well informed individuals, the problem with hunting and shooting is that as years go by and experience and knowledge grows, opinions as to what works and what doesn't, always seem to converge. Just my observations.
I ran into this on the 9.3X300 WM thread I posted a few months back regarding the velocities I posted as measured by my Oehler 35P. Some still posted that it wasn't possible, even after I posted photos of the printout and photos of the fired cases with primers still intact and still slightly rounded. I am not daunted though and will continue to contribute to these forums, knowing that my experiences will be questioned by those whose knowledge is gleaned from the internet and other questionable sources.
It seems to me that the "old boys club" on here, referred to earlier, almost always agree and seldom have any arguments within, but meet real resistance when voicing experiences not well covered on the internet. This is when the inexperienced and opinionated seem to become most vocal. I view this as the greatest cause of irrational debate and argument on this site, the uninformed attempting to defend positions that common sense and experience have proven to be incorrect. A perfect example of this is bullet construction, when one has thrown hundreds or even thousands of bullets at game and harvested 100s of head of game, it gives one an experience base as to what works and what doesn't. A single bullet failure is enough to rule that bullet out as appropriate for game, however the inexperienced seem to think that a single bullet success makes it acceptable for game and that just isn't how it works out there. Do they listen to the old boys with hundreds of animals taken? No, they base their opinion on one or two successful uses and what they see on TV. I have only been on CGN for 2 years and have seen this debate several times now and still it amazes me how many think that pseudo hunting, match bullets are appropriate for all types of hunting and game, when every single hunter on here with a large experience base has experienced one or more failures with these bullets.
Another is sub-calibers for big game which will cause many pages of opinions to be expressed, with "the old boys club" being fairly united against the proposition because they have seen what can go wrong when using even adequate calibers for game. And again it comes down to the fact that one failure that shouldn't have happened, one lost animal, trumps 10 successes!!
Like I said, I enjoy a spirited debate between two or more well informed individuals, the problem with hunting and shooting is that as years go by and experience and knowledge grows, opinions as to what works and what doesn't, always seem to converge. Just my observations.
I really wish the AO crapper didn't get flushed so often as the turds always resurface here, stench intact.
Having learned quite a bit since joining this forum I still get frustrated by some of the attitudes expressed here. In order for our lifestyle to continue we need understanding as we are the minority. You get more with sugar is the old adage and that is a truism hunters should practice. It is hard to maintain an even handed approach when dealing with many of the hysterics presented by those who would shut us down (like seals are endangered, good one Pam). There are many approaches to hunting, these approaches generally based on personal experience. As a primarily self taught hunter it is with great interest I listen to other opinions on this forum, hoping to learn more. This interest is coupled with great frustration when personal invective takes the place of meaningful discussion. In my time on this planet one thing has become clear to me. Nothing is black and white; it is how we negotiate the grey areas that dictate who we are. When we are out in the bush and it is decision time, let us make the right one. Very few of us need the meat to survive but it is a choice we make, to hunt. When we make the decision to shoot the outcome to that animal is what is the key. The rest is extraneous. As hunters we have to stick together. Putting our egos aside to make a point is a good way to start. I will end my rant on this note, CGN is part of my daily routine and will continue to be so. Merry Christmas everyone. Two of my kids are snowbound in airports right now on their way home so fingers crossed.
This post does not belong here. It contributes nothing to the thread. It should be flushed. MODS???
LOL Yes it kind of reminds me of why teenagers are the best employees......you don't have to train them......they know everything!!
I'm with c-fbmi in that debate can be very healthy and good for our sport. One of the dangers of expressing an opinion is that it may be challenged and for those with the experience and facts to back it up, it usually leads to some very healthy dialogue and an opportunity for both parties to learn. For those with nothing to back up their opinion when challenged, it typically leads to name calling and childish behaviour and there is nothing to be learned. There are some people on here with incredible knowledge and experience and I enjoy a respectful and spirited debate with them. I know I usually come away a lot smarter than when I began. I find that having my opinion challenged forces me to learn......
There are always going to be those that yap just to be heard and for the most part I just disregard them but there are many on here that I listen carefully to when they speak, especially when they disagree with my point of view because I'm likely to learn something. Some people like to surround themselves with people that share the same point of view on everything because it's safe. Others prefer to be around those of differing opinion so they can grow. The personal attacks are typically borne out of nothing more than insecurity.
There are always going to be those that yap just to be heard and for the most part I just disregard them but there are many on here that I listen carefully to when they speak, especially when they disagree with my point of view because I'm likely to learn something. Some people like to surround themselves with people that share the same point of view on everything because it's safe. Others prefer to be around those of differing opinion so they can grow. The personal attacks are typically borne out of nothing more than insecurity.
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This I agree with wholeheartedly! Dave.
