Tiro Tactico Defensivo - do we have anything like that?

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I was on the FB page of a South American club that's mostly focused on IPSC, but another club advertised an event called "Tiro Tactico Defensivo" which would translate into "Tactical Defensive Shooting" (from little Spanish that I know).. Seems to be similar to IDPA (using cover, tactical reloads) but based on what see, you also have to engage the target 3 times and the guy was talking about "neutralizing" the target (maybe needing to get enough points?) even though their scoring seems to be IPSC-based. Even the commands are from IPSC. Here's a short clip of a guy doing a TTD stage..

Do we have anything like that in Canada?

Edit: Looks like they have tandem shooting as well..

 
Antoine22 said:
Isn't this IDPA? If so, yes, we do have this in Canada.
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The guy I asked told me that there is a difference and started talking about neutralizing the target (implied, but I'm not sure yet, having to hit the A zone once). Based on some of the videos it also appears that the RO seems to be instructing the shooter to change positions indicating a change in situation and the fact that the shooter was engaging some targets 3-4 times and others only twice. Some of the targets were showing the RO counting 3 hits or 2 hits and a miss. While I've never done IDPA (planning to change that), afaik in IDPA they also score 2 best shots, so there's at least one difference here.

Based on what I gathered, it's a distinct discipline but getting the details is difficult as Spanish is my third language and I learned it through my second language (English), so for all I know, the guy could be talking about crocheting some mitts.

Edit: Also the guy mentioned that you also have to prioritize tactically based on the distance and the weapons that the "opponent" (target) is "armed" with. That explains why hands were printed on some targets that I saw (I guess indicating empty hands)
 
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Long before idpa, we used to shoot tac matches in BC. Resembling ipsc metric targets, it had similar scoring zones, but a target needed to score 5 points to be neutralized. Basically 1 A or a C and D or 3 Ds were required.

you could probably come up with just about any scoring system you want when making up rules for shooting games
 
Well, it looks like I'll start off with IDPA and it'll be a good prep for this thing. I just didn't know if they are playing a game that's around globally or came up with one on their own. Thanks for the heads up, everyone. On a side-note, the car vid was a bit insane.. Unless I owned a chain of autoglass shops, I wouldn't dare volunteering MY car for something like that... Having the windshield beat up by all that brass made me cringe.
 
We shoot ODPL at our club and I've never shot IDPA so I don't know if the same holds true but we are required to neutralize threats in tactical priority unless otherwise instructed - this means biggest threat to smallest so if there is a target with a gun and another with a knife, the gun target gets shot first. As well, closer targets (biggest threat) get neutralized before further targets. It makes for some interesting stages and requires the shooter to try and be mindful of the targets from a practical point of view once the timer goes beep!

It's hard to see in this video but there are 6 shoot targets, two with guns, two with knives, and two without weapons as well as one "no-shoot" in the middle. ODPL rules also require that in the absence of cover you must minimize your profile, hence my kneeling/crouching posture.
 
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Freedom Ventures said:
Just out of curiosity; which target gets shot first when a gun target is at 13m and a knife target is at 7m?
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Good question. And the answer is the stage designer needs a swift kick in the pants! Good stage design doesn't mix those elements or if they do, the course description details the order with which targets get engaged.
 
667 said:
IDPA.... ODPL... Tacticoolio Defensivo...

It all looks pretty much the same-o
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Yes they all use targets and handguns. I saw nothing that resembles IDPA or IPSC in any of the videos unless you consider shooting at cardboard targets similar.

Take Care

Bob
 
Another thing that just came up was that they also seem to be including Hollywood scenarios where you are only allowed to disable the attacker by hitting a limb and you get a double-mike if you hit the vitals. Also, I am not sure about IDPA but in some of these videos, the RO commanded the competitor to run - not sure how that works, will ask the MD.
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
On a side-note, the car vid was a bit insane.. Unless I owned a chain of autoglass shops, I wouldn't dare volunteering MY car for something like that... Having the windshield beat up by all that brass made me cringe.
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Junker cars... Especially for the ones down range.

Here's a short clip from the 2013 BRM3G.
Some of the targets down range were behind a second car... A swinger would appear/disappear from behind the rear of the vehicle.
The young lady on my squad sent a piece of trunk lid trim flying... LoL

Happens with the 3rd. shot... around 9 secs.

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Possible.. I'm of 2 minds here because it looks a bit too new to be a junker in a country where cars without cats are common enough for them to need to have a prohibition in place so they don't enter the capital.. On the other hand, down there the shooters are REALLY in the money (average salaries are 1/3 of ours and guns/ammo/accessories are 2-3 times more expensive) so this may have been a small sacrifice to make considering the membership dues are 2x what we pay in the GTA.

As for the command to run, I found out that it was just the RO hurrying things along and helping out the competitor (things are less formal than in IPSC).
 
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