STANAG Mags in MVP

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I'm sure many of you know that Mossberg Makes a rifle that takes STANAG compliant mags, it is a bolt action rifle and not limited to our 5 round semi auto centerfire rifle law.

Now many STANAG compliant mags are not marked with their rifles intended use, so my question is, what mags can you legally use at full capacity in this bolt action rifle?

Currently our laws do not allow for you to even have a STANAG compliant magazine with capacity that is not limited to 5 rounds if I understand the law correctly (except for clearly marked pistol mags and the other caliber exceptions that still work with the 5.56/223 rounds)

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If possible, could someone that has an MVP with the factory magazine post pictures of it so we can see the markings on the magazine as it is 10 rounds and should not be limited in capacity.
 
Brian46 said:
If possible, could someone that has an MVP with the factory magazine post pictures of it so we can see the markings on the magazine as it is 10 rounds and should not be limited in capacity.
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You are wrong on the mag not being limited. The mag is marked by Mossberg, pinned and stamped 5 rnd only. The gun is not limited but the mag is because is is an AR 15 mag and cannot have more than ten rounds except for pistol mags (10 rnds). Phil.
 
That's it right there....they would have to make a brand new mag that only fits that rifle and then they could have massive capacity.
MVP works better in the US, but still not bad with 10 rounds here.
 
Hitzy said:
That's it right there....they would have to make a brand new mag that only fits that rifle and then they could have massive capacity.
MVP works better in the US, but still not bad with 10 rounds here.
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lar and beowulf mags fit more make and model firearms than the one type of firearm they were designed for, it is because they are manufactured and marketed for only the one application that they are still legal, no?

With those mags a loophole in our law is being exploited when they are used in a regular rifle to increase the magazine capacity, In this case it is perfectly legal to have a magazine that holds 10, 20, 30, 50, 100 etc rounds since it is a bolt action firearm
 
Brian46 said:
lar and beowulf mags fit more make and model firearms than the one type of firearm they were designed for, it is because they are manufactured and marketed for only the one application that they are still legal, no?

With those mags a loophole in our law is being exploited when they are used in a regular rifle to increase the magazine capacity, In this case it is perfectly legal to have a magazine that holds 10, 20, 30, 50, 100 etc rounds since it is a bolt action firearm
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As already discussed in the MVP thread, you're talking about a bolt-action rifle that is marketed as taking an AR mag. Therefore without any profound jumps in logic you should be able to understand why this is the wrong tree to bark up. The concept is sound to a point. If someone were to manufacture a proprietary mag that was designed and manufactured ONLY for a bolt action rifle and it happened to be able to function others, well, you have the LAR-15 case. It is not identical in construction to a 10 rd AR mag but happens to work in one and is NOT marked as being intended for use in both rifles and pistols. In the case that you're hoping this will happen with a gun like the MVP that was designed and manufactured to use AR mags you are bound to be disappointed. No one here is trying to shatter your dreams but reality will hopefully take over soon.
 
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Brian46 said:
lar and beowulf mags fit more make and model firearms than the one type of firearm they were designed for, it is because they are manufactured and marketed for only the one application that they are still legal, no?

With those mags a loophole in our law is being exploited when they are used in a regular rifle to increase the magazine capacity, In this case it is perfectly legal to have a magazine that holds 10, 20, 30, 50, 100 etc rounds since it is a bolt action firearm
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The problem being that if its an AR-15 style magazine, it will ALWAYS be restricted as 5/10 round limit depending on pistol or rifle.

If you read on RCMP's way to determine the capacity, the only way for you to pull off higher limit without going through the use of different caliber is to design a bolt action rifle that takes a newly designed propietary magazine (with no chance of being compatible with autoloading rifle) with specific marking stating the use. Once that magazine and rifle are both approve, make mag adapter to allow the use of the propietary bolt action magazine with autoloading rifle/pistol. Even then I'm not sure if RCMP would rule adapter or reclassify the mag as prohibited device.
 
P of PDent said:
You are wrong on the mag not being limited. The mag is marked by Mossberg, pinned and stamped 5 rnd only. The gun is not limited but the mag is because is is an AR 15 mag and cannot have more than ten rounds except for pistol mags (10 rnds). Phil.
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This is correct. Sorry OP no matter how many angles you look at it from will not change it. Otherwise I assure you one of our very talented retailers/importers would have figured this out already and brought in STANAG mags specifically marked for the MVP.

Brian46 said:
With those mags a loophole in our law is being exploited when they are used in a regular rifle to increase the magazine capacity, In this case it is perfectly legal to have a magazine that holds 10, 20, 30, 50, 100 etc rounds since it is a bolt action firearm
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First, it's not a loophole but the actual wording of the law that allows for a pistol mag to be used in a carbine, or one mag that is designed for a specific caliber that happens to fit and function with another to be legal. Sometimes poorly written laws can be used as an advantage.

Finally, again, no matter how many different ways you look at it the MVP is advertised as being designed to take AR mags. If a bolt action firearm existed, such as the AIA SMLE that takes a purpose designed magazine for that firearm, that happens to fit another rifle that's semi auto (yes there's a clue there as to why those mags are desired) and has not been advertised such as the MVP has, then that magazine can hold it's regular capacity.

Rifles like the MVP are marketed the way they are for the expressed reason that the US is awash in STANAG mags and it just makes sense that if a business has a bolt/pump/break action to market it toward the STANAG owners.
 
loki_81 said:
If a bolt action firearm existed, such as the AIA SMLE that takes a purpose designed magazine for that firearm, that happens to fit another rifle that's semi auto (yes there's a clue there as to why those mags are desired) and has not been advertised such as the MVP has, then that magazine can hold it's regular capacity.
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my point is only to use the MVP marked mags in the MVP, I could care less that they could not be legaly used in an ar, that is not the intent of the question I asked.
 
P of PDent said:
You are wrong on the mag not being limited. The mag is marked by Mossberg, pinned and stamped 5 rnd only. The gun is not limited but the mag is because is is an AR 15 mag and cannot have more than ten rounds except for pistol mags (10 rnds). Phil.
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what is it specifically that makes the destinction between an AR mag and one for a different rifle that will also fit an AR?
 
To take another run at helping you here,

Dissociate the mag from the firearm. The laws do not care what a mag is used in.

Because the MVP is marketed as being designed to use an AR mag, the RCMP will not differentiate between an AR mag that is marked MVP and one that is not, they are still both AR mags. In their eyes it is still simply an AR mag. If you design a mag specifically for the MVP and mark it as such you have simply designed another AR mag. This mag will still be subject to the exact same treatment as any other AR mag.

For the super short and simple version

Mossberg MVP MAG = AR MAG
 
Well, it really doesn't matter what you intend. A prohibited magazine is still prohibited, regardless of what you want it to be used for.

I feel for you. The situation sucks. This is a case of "buyer beware" when it comes to guns designed for an American market being sold in other countries. Good ideas don't always carry over very well.
 
Brian46 said:
my point is only to use the MVP marked mags in the MVP, I could care less that they could not be legaly used in an ar, that is not the intent of the question I asked.
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Fair enough, my point was kind of getting into the hypothetical.

At any rate, the MVP is specifically advertised as;

Mossberg advertising if you click that link above. said:
Compatible with AR-15 Magazines, Featuring the Lightning Bolt Action Adjustable Trigger System.
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That throws out any mag marked or advertised as MVP to be full capacity. Mags marked specifically for the MVP are neutered to 5 rounds unfortunately. Trust me, I'd rather be wrong on this point, and would love for someone to prove me wrong.
 
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Fair enough, my point was kind of getting into the hypothetical.

At any rate, the MVP is specifically advertised as;



That throws out any mag marked or advertised as MVP to be full capacity. Mags marked specifically for the MVP are neutered to 5 rounds unfortunately. Trust me, I'd rather be wrong on this point, and would love for someone to prove me wrong.
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that says "compatable with", not that a proprietery magazine is not available or could be had/manufactured for the mvp.
 
This is etched in the side of the magazine that came with my MVP Varmint

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Brian46 said:
I have bought nothing yet, I am doing research.
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It's all been tried before, RCMP #### all over it. You won't get any stanag mag to work legally with full capacity. Remington make a pump action that came out years ago, that takes the same AR mags, same deal.
Only thing that comes to mind with higher capacity is a REM 700 and one of the conversion kits....can't recall which, but one has 20 round proprietary mags.....
 
Hitzy said:
It's all been tried before, RCMP #### all over it. You won't get any stanag mag to work legally with full capacity. Remington make a pump action that came out years ago, that takes the same AR mags, same deal.
Only thing that comes to mind with higher capacity is a REM 700 and one of the conversion kits....can't recall which, but one has 20 round proprietary mags.....
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Nobody, well at least I am not saying to allow people to run current stanag mags at full capacity, we/I am talking about bringing a new mag to market like was done with the LAR and beowulf which got exceptions because of the firearm they were designed and marketed to be used in has a legal higher allowed capacity or different caliber markings. Do you really think the RCMP didn't check to see if a LAR mag would work in a regular rifle before they allowed it?
 
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