FBI replacing .40cal with 9mm?

.40 is a stupid cartridge, glad to see it going.






anyone upset? anyone mad?
 
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In my highly limited experience, the .40 cal is more of a feel good caliber. On paper it is marginally better, in the real world well I wouldn't know but I don't see how it could be different.

If you actually want more power .45 ACP is the way to go at the trade off of capacity. As far as duty pistols go the last step after that is 10mm but that requires dedication to master and be proficient with.
 
That is too bad I find it a nice balance. I do not think I will ever own anything in 9mm it lacks the punch of the .40 /.45

40 seems like the most common shot ammo at my range too always lots of brass.
 
After all the studies and throwing ballistics data around in the 1990's, it's back to the 9mm?

Don't get me wrong, I've never been a fan of the 40 S&W. I love the .45 ACP for defense and the 9mm for cheap, practice and plinking in the 1911 platforms.
 
TDC said:
What's legal and what's possible are very different. 40 and 45 guns hold fewer rounds than 9mm guns. As for 45, it sucks like all pistol calibers. Capacity trumps the marginal increase in "energy".

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LEGAL in canada is 10rds regardless of caliber in handgun..... so i go by legal......

POSSIBLE is me getting nekid with 10 penthouse models simultaneously, highly improbable but possible.......
 
I enjoyed shooting my .40 more than the 9. It's the snap that feels good, the 9 just just doesn't have that feeling. Yet for commonality and price I have switched to 9mm.
 
I love my 9's .
Got three of them now and there is still a few more to add .
But I just bought a M&P 40, and desperately waiting to shoot it .
Im sure the 40 is here to stay and if it aint , well I got 3 ice cream buckets full to the brim with 40 brass to keep me loading for a life time .
the 40 fills the gap for me, between 9mm and 45acp
 
It is a good thing I live in Canada so my odds of getting shot by the FBI are marginal at best, which would I prefer...it is basic physics: mass times velocity squared.
Answer= neither.
 
Every increase in performance in 9mm is a corresponding increase in performance for .40. Kinda simple that way. If we all accept that the 9mm will do the job in terminal performance, then the .40 is a matter of incrementally increased performance over the 9 based on size. The .45 is incrementally increased performance over the .40. Whatever floats your boat in the end.
One thing is for certain, the infrastructure existing in the police culture surrounding the .40 is not going away. The .40 is no flash in the pan and those tying themselves to it are in no danger of fading away...
 
flyrrad said:
LEGAL in canada is 10rds regardless of caliber in handgun..... so i go by legal......

POSSIBLE is me getting nekid with 10 penthouse models simultaneously, highly improbable but possible.......
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Not exactly... It is legal for example for you to load 9mm rounds into a .40 cal glock mag. Holds more then 10 rounds...

As for the .40... I am a big fan.... prefer it over 9mm hands down.
 
You can load .40 135grain to 1500fps without going over SAAMI levels, this is serious performance.

Alternatively you can safely load 9mm 115grain to 1500fps, but their is still a 20 grain difference, you are also really pushing the 9X19 here.

I wish people started looking at the 9X23mm Winchester (.38 super comp) seriously, you can get 10mm performance with 9mm capacity, and slightly more recoil than 9mm less than .40.
 
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It's very simple to understand. 40S&W doesn't offer anything over 9mm that makes the added costs related to it worthwhile. It's just not that better of a round.
 
Dumantepe said:
I wish people started looking at the 9X23mm Winchester (.38 super comp) seriously, you can get 10mm performance with 9mm capacity, and slightly more recoil than 9mm less than .40.
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x2. great ballistics and the same high capacity as 9mm would seem to make sense.
but in reality the modern 9mm has closed the effectiveness gap, is cheap and too ubiquitous to bother with other calibres for law enforcement
 
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