Rather than make 23 caliber bullets, using a specially ground reamer cut a chamber and throat for a case using a .243 bullet in a 23 caliber barrel... on firing the .243 bullet will swage to 23 caliber in it's own length... interesting experiment with loading to acceptable pressures... I wonder what accuracy would be...
234 Wildcat Family....ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY
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get a series of lee push through sizing dies, take a 6mm bullet of your liking and run it through the dies and swage it down to your final diameter that you require. Use these bullets to put your new rifle through its paces and if the results are stunning enough then invest in the tooling to make specific bullets, this will be a much more viable option then buying bullet dies to find out that the results from years ago where all hyped up as a marketing gimmick that fell on deaf ears...............
Maybe the 9.3x62 case could be used. There's a right way to do things. Drawing down bullets is not one
of them, jackets can spring back the lead core not so much.
They'll put meat on the table but thats about it.
My 296 had stellar results right out of the gate no fuss no muss
but built from scratch.
its not for or about marketing, the world is full of nay sayers but
only a few cool guys with obscure calibers.
of them, jackets can spring back the lead core not so much.
They'll put meat on the table but thats about it.
My 296 had stellar results right out of the gate no fuss no muss
but built from scratch.
its not for or about marketing, the world is full of nay sayers but
only a few cool guys with obscure calibers.
When I visit Whitehorse again next fall, I want to meet you, Doug.
GREAT reading here, and it does sound like cabin fever is taking hold right across the country..............
Many of you know that my shooting interest for quite some time now is to acquire, load for and shoot rifles in new-to-me chamberings. I am not sure what the count of different cartridges would be, but it is getting right up there. A family of .23 cal cartridges will send me to the bank for a third mortgage.....
GREAT reading here, and it does sound like cabin fever is taking hold right across the country..............
Many of you know that my shooting interest for quite some time now is to acquire, load for and shoot rifles in new-to-me chamberings. I am not sure what the count of different cartridges would be, but it is getting right up there. A family of .23 cal cartridges will send me to the bank for a third mortgage.....
For me, I enjoy the 70s, what came about then, and earlier as exemplified by my choice of smaller or basically varmint calibre. My 219 Donaldson Wasp.
Want to swap that Wasp? Or rent it out for a couple months?
Doug
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Honest to God 'Looky I haven't got a clue how to go about it, if I knew how I would just post it right here in this thread...........but I don't....
Have my 2 computer experts (my sons) here now and will try to post the article from 1987 Gun Digest on the 23 cals, to those of you who have e-mailed me for it, sorry, I can't even figure out how to forward a f#####g e-mail on this computer.
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What exactly are you trying to say BUM, I really wish you weren't so wishy-washy and cryptic..............
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Douglas, a new wildcat is a nice idea to play with in the long, cold winter.
I haven't read the whole thread, but how about something in .243 diameter instead, for those of use who legally require such a thing to hunt big game with? Up here in the Yukon, a .234 would still only be legal for coyote and wolf, even if you pushed a 100 grain bullet to some blistering fast velocity.
Since there are quite a few fast .243's around, how about coming up with something small and efficient in .243 for small and medium game at close range. Sounds like a strange bird, but likely nobody has done it, and lately I've kind of been leaning towards pistol caliber carbines due to handiness, low recoil and the ammo being small.
Maybe neck down a .357 mag or 45 colt case to .243 and stuff it full of H110 or something, and chamber it in a tiny little mini-mauser action, or something with removable mags....
I haven't read the whole thread, but how about something in .243 diameter instead, for those of use who legally require such a thing to hunt big game with? Up here in the Yukon, a .234 would still only be legal for coyote and wolf, even if you pushed a 100 grain bullet to some blistering fast velocity.
Since there are quite a few fast .243's around, how about coming up with something small and efficient in .243 for small and medium game at close range. Sounds like a strange bird, but likely nobody has done it, and lately I've kind of been leaning towards pistol caliber carbines due to handiness, low recoil and the ammo being small.
Maybe neck down a .357 mag or 45 colt case to .243 and stuff it full of H110 or something, and chamber it in a tiny little mini-mauser action, or something with removable mags....
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I've been thinking about what guntech was saying about swaging a 6mm bullet down to 234 in the barrel itself .
6mm has a bore of 236 and a groove of 243 .
what if you made a really tight 6mm barrel , chambered it in a 6mm cartridge . then afterwards run a tapered reamer about 10- 12 inches long , just to loosen things up a bit to try to avoid any pressure spikes from having a too tight of a barrel .
basically I'm thinking of trying to move the point of where the bullet gets swaged down from the throat to the first 10-12 inches of the barrel while it is engaged into the rifling .
6mm has a bore of 236 and a groove of 243 .
what if you made a really tight 6mm barrel , chambered it in a 6mm cartridge . then afterwards run a tapered reamer about 10- 12 inches long , just to loosen things up a bit to try to avoid any pressure spikes from having a too tight of a barrel .
basically I'm thinking of trying to move the point of where the bullet gets swaged down from the throat to the first 10-12 inches of the barrel while it is engaged into the rifling .
How do you figure this? I do believe the cut off for big game is 23 cal, haven't read the regs for a few years as I had them memorized for 30 years and the cut off was always 23 cal unless it has changed in the last few years.
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Oh-oh . . .
This from the 2013-2014 "Hunting Sheep in the Yukon" pamphlet I picked up last summer -
"Sheep, (like all other big game, other than Bison, Wolves, and Coyotes) must be hunted using a rifle with a calibre larger than .24 loaded with soft pointed ammunition, a muzzleloader larger than .45 calibre, or a bow with a draw weight not less than 20 kg loaded with broadhead arrows that are not less than 710 mm long. Shotguns 20 gauge or larger loaded with rifle slugs are also legal.
I'm looking around for the general big game regulation pamphlet to confirm this is correct and that the writer of the sheep hunting pamphlet did not simply round off to .24 on the assumption there is no .23.
Edited to add . . .
From the 2009-2010 regulations summery . . .
It is unlawful to hunt big game with:
- a crossbow,
- a pistol or revolver,
- a shotgun smaller than 20 gauge,
- a rifle calibre less than 6 mm [.24 calibre]; (a .22 calibre [5.6 mm] centerfire rifle may be used for wolves and coyotes),
- a muzzle loaded or black powder rifle less than 11.4 mm (.45 calibre),
- shotgun ammunition other than a slug,
- full metal-jacket bullets commonly known as "service ammunition", or
- a silencing device
Minimum firearm requirements applying to wood bison will be specified on the permit.
Then it goes on to talk about non toxic shot for migratory game birds, set guns, unsafe firearms, the definition of a firearm, and the definition of a loaded firearm.
This from the 2013-2014 "Hunting Sheep in the Yukon" pamphlet I picked up last summer -
"Sheep, (like all other big game, other than Bison, Wolves, and Coyotes) must be hunted using a rifle with a calibre larger than .24 loaded with soft pointed ammunition, a muzzleloader larger than .45 calibre, or a bow with a draw weight not less than 20 kg loaded with broadhead arrows that are not less than 710 mm long. Shotguns 20 gauge or larger loaded with rifle slugs are also legal.
I'm looking around for the general big game regulation pamphlet to confirm this is correct and that the writer of the sheep hunting pamphlet did not simply round off to .24 on the assumption there is no .23.
Edited to add . . .
From the 2009-2010 regulations summery . . .
It is unlawful to hunt big game with:
- a crossbow,
- a pistol or revolver,
- a shotgun smaller than 20 gauge,
- a rifle calibre less than 6 mm [.24 calibre]; (a .22 calibre [5.6 mm] centerfire rifle may be used for wolves and coyotes),
- a muzzle loaded or black powder rifle less than 11.4 mm (.45 calibre),
- shotgun ammunition other than a slug,
- full metal-jacket bullets commonly known as "service ammunition", or
- a silencing device
Minimum firearm requirements applying to wood bison will be specified on the permit.
Then it goes on to talk about non toxic shot for migratory game birds, set guns, unsafe firearms, the definition of a firearm, and the definition of a loaded firearm.
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