234 Wildcat Family....ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY

More on bullets, what kind? Vld, Uld, flat base, boattail, rebated boattail, round nose, semi spritzer, spire point or what??
What kind of rifling, 3, 4, 5R, 6?
Are you going to hand lap the bbls prior to rifling?
 
I've been thinking about this ..... couldn't 6mm bullets be swaged down to 234 ?

with the 234x55 , I was thinking that it might be worth while to not only straighten the 6.5x55 case out and add a sharper shoulder , but to also push the shoulder farther forward so that brass from the 7x57 brass family can also be easily used.

how difficult would it be to make a prefit barrel for a savage ?

I think the "234 penguin " might have some traction here .
 
The only problem with the "Penguin" is the PITA of building brass and you're 5gr capacity less than doing a .284.
Let's cut the Penguin and the .284 by taking the .284 case and pushing the .284 shoulder back 0.12" and trimming the neck .08".
We can just use fantastic 6.5x284 Lapua brass. We should have 58-59gr water capacity then.

This is Doug's thing; just making suggestions.
 
The problem with swaging 6mm down is you'll be increasing the shank which will create greater friction and poop on the velocity. Unless you get fancy, where I would rather just pay Marshal.

Here is my suggestion:
58gr FB varmint bullet 6s
89gr RBBT dual purpose 10s
107gr VLD LR smackdown 10s
 
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Kevan said:
I've been following this thread and its getting more interesting all the time.
I think my 6.5 Remington Mag. case necked down would be fun....
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It isn't enough over the the 6.5-284 to pay Lapua prices for R.P. Brass. My 6.5-284 brass is 4gr of water less than my 6.5. RM brass.
That amounts to 50fps.......
Though I love my 6.5 Rem Mag.
 
rem338win said:
It isn't enough over the the 6.5-284 to pay Lapua prices for R.P. Brass. My 6.5-284 brass is 4gr of water less than my 6.5. RM brass.
That amounts to 50fps.......
Though I love my 6.5 Rem Mag.
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I know how much Lapua brass costs and I can tell you that I sure did not pay that much for a lifetime supply of 6.5 Rem. Mag.
There is always lots at gun shows and I've found bags of unfired at different gun shops over the years.
I bought four bags @ the Kamloops Gun Show last year before I had a 6.5 rem. Mag., same price as 358 Win.
 
Whatever it ends up looking like, the .234 Penguin will be the one to watch simply because the name is so tantalizingly incorrect. It would be right up there with naming a cartridge after a koala bear, only better. If Marshall can, 3 bullets would be a start, say a super lightweight high velocity thin skinned boat-tail spitzer varmint (penguin) bullet of say 55-60 grs, that will handle 4000+ fps from a fast twist barrel, a 90 gr flat base, partition type, semi-spitizer big game bullet, bonded for heavy game and a non-bonded version for deer, antelope, and caribou, and a 115 gr VLD match bullet. More bullet weights and styles could be added once the performance envelope of the cartridge has been determined.
 
Boomer said:
Whatever it ends up looking like, the .234 Penguin will be the one to watch simply because the name is so tantalizingly incorrect. It would be right up there with naming a cartridge after a koala bear, only better. If Marshall can, 3 bullets would be a start, say a super lightweight high velocity thin skinned boat-tail spitzer varmint (penguin) bullet of say 55-60 grs, that will handle 4000+ fps from a fast twist barrel, a 90 gr flat base, partition type, semi-spitizer big game bullet, bonded for heavy game and a non-bonded version for deer, antelope, and caribou, and a 115 gr VLD match bullet. More bullet weights and styles could be added once the performance envelope of the cartridge has been determined.
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I can't see there being demand for enough bullets to make an entire line. Where would barrels be sourced from again? If dies and barrels were available without a 12 month wait, I'd have one spun together.
 
In my opinion there wouldn't be enough interest to even pay off the dies in my
lifetime, up to Doug just how much $ he wants to invest.
It's not a money making venture, I would suggest one bullet design
to start off with.
 
marshman said:
In my opinion there wouldn't be enough interest to even pay off the dies in my
lifetime, up to Doug just how much $ he wants to invest.
It's not a money making venture, I would suggest one bullet design
to start off with.
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Its up to Doug of course, but my vote then would be for a big game bullet; after all, the point of the venture is to baffle the fish cops in jurisdictions with minimum caliber regulations. An 85-100 gr .234 bullet might be a good starting point.
 
Boomer said:
Its up to Doug of course, but my vote then would be for a big game bullet; after all, the point of the venture is to baffle the fish cops in jurisdictions with minimum caliber regulations. An 85-100 gr .234 bullet might be a good starting point.
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If this actually happens that is what I would want. A somewhat heavy for caliber bonded hunting bullet suitable for deer.
 
A fellow CGN'r has sent me a write up from an annual in 1987 covering 4 different 23 cal cartridges or 5 actually. In this write up the are some interesting names and conclusions. Anyone considering jumping on the 23 bandwagon might want to read this article. I would be happy to forward it to anyone who sends me an e-mail. Apparently it out performs everything up to and including the 257 Wby according to the write up. Shoots flatter and retains it's energy better than any 6mm cartridge of the day. It is quite a write up and doesn't have a single downside except barrel life with one on a belted mag, very close to the 264WM case .

My e-mail is pamelamackrell@live.com

I would be happy to start with a 90-100 gn RBT bonded.......I would also like to see a 65-75 gn HPBT varmint/match bullet.......then a 110 VLD
 
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