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Anyone running the Hensold/Zeiss 4x30 ZO or the 6x36i on their rifle? would like to hear from people that have one on their rifle, pros, cons etc.

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depends on use more than anything, but less things to fiddle with the better I guess considering it is in military use and all

Have you used/owned one? I have been fine with a 4x even at very close ranges, wanting to know if I can expect the same from this optic.
 
TDC said:
Fixed power optics are less than ideal especially the 6x version you're asking about.

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You never take vacations do you?

One word... Machinegun/LMG

You aim at 400 meters+ and then you engage. After you rely on tracers and impacts.

Any questions?

But yes... Less then ideal for a plain AR-15 or alike.
 
If your want fixed power any of the Trijicon ACOGs will more then suit your needs. Especially when u get the BDC reticuled ones. Mine works like a charm and there's a reason the US military has been using them for years
 
Cpt.Flan said:
You never take vacations do you?

One word... Machinegun/LMG

You aim at 400 meters+ and then you engage. After you rely on tracers and impacts.

Any questions?

But yes... Less then ideal for a plain AR-15 or alike.
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Lol yes heaven forbid he implied th op wanted to use the optics on a legally owned firearm in Canada not a fully automatic machine gun used by the military....I often wonder the use of a self guided thermal target locking space helmet, the I remember I could use it on my shoulder mounted pulse rifle pfft I'm an idiot.

To the original poster fixed 6x magnification seems a bit much as that's what I generally shoot out to 100+yards. Couldn't imagine using it for and sort of cqb shooting or anything. If your strictly bench shooting then it may be a good optic for you.
 
Death said:
If your want fixed power any of the Trijicon ACOGs will more then suit your needs. Especially when u get the BDC reticuled ones. Mine works like a charm and there's a reason the US military has been using them for years
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I prefer the Bundeswehr reticle and it has BDC marks in it for 223, it also has the ACOG beat with a 8deg FOV.just because the us military uses something doesn't mean there is nothing better out there
 
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lil_juiced_coupe said:
Lol yes heaven forbid he implied th op wanted to use the optics on a legally owned firearm in Canada not a fully automatic machine gun used by the military....I often wonder the use of a self guided thermal target locking space helmet, the I remember I could use it on my shoulder mounted pulse rifle pfft I'm an idiot.

To the original poster fixed 6x magnification seems a bit much as that's what I generally shoot out to 100+yards. Couldn't imagine using it for and sort of cqb shooting or anything. If your strictly bench shooting then it may be a good optic for you.
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I have used fixed 5x without any issue as close as 15 ft on big game animals with a much tighter field of view, looking for some real world experience with the optic rather than being told it won't work by someone who never tried.
 
Death said:
If your want fixed power any of the Trijicon ACOGs will more then suit your needs. Especially when u get the BDC reticuled ones. Mine works like a charm and there's a reason the US military has been using them for years
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I was thinking the same thing, the ACOG is a tad less expensive than that Zeiss as well.
 
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Cpt.Flan said:
You never take vacations do you?

One word... Machinegun/LMG

You aim at 400 meters+ and then you engage. After you rely on tracers and impacts.

Any questions?

But yes... Less then ideal for a plain AR-15 or alike.
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Yes I have a couple questions.

So which LMG are you using at the range here in Canada? Shoot a lot of tracers at the range? What are you engaging?
Relying on tracers and impacts it doesn't sound like you need any optic at all.
I'm pretty sure for personal use the fixed 6 power on an AR-15 or similar rifle for use at the range or during 3 gun may be a little much.
If you're using your LMG in the military they may just give you whichever optic they want you to use. I'm not sure how much flexibility they have for you to pick your own optics.
 
lil_juiced_coupe said:
Lol yes heaven forbid he implied th op wanted to use the optics on a legally owned firearm in Canada not a fully automatic machine gun used by the military....I often wonder the use of a self guided thermal target locking space helmet, the I remember I could use it on my shoulder mounted pulse rifle pfft I'm an idiot.

To the original poster fixed 6x magnification seems a bit much as that's what I generally shoot out to 100+yards. Couldn't imagine using it for and sort of cqb shooting or anything. If your strictly bench shooting then it may be a good optic for you.
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Actually, this is an interesting point - if you look at some of the junk issued by various militaries (even first world militaries) you're almost better off NOT using anything military. L85? FAMAS? all of those nations still issuing the AK. China - the worlds next Superpower issues a rifle with the safety stuck under your armpit. As far as optics go, if you're looking for a scope that can do everything - the variable 1-4x is very hard to beat. Most major scope manufacturers make one. The fixed 4x is however a great choice for shooting Service Rifle, or if your rifle is NR, for hunting, but if you throw CQB into the mix, the option of low-to-no magnification is preferable.
 
I have a 1.5-6x SpectreDR on my AR and am very impressed with it. Excellent quality glass, quick change from 1.5x to 6x and a good FOV at both magnifications. Being slightly heavy is the biggest draw back, but not really a huge issue. Works very well from 10 yards to 400 yards with the reticle calibrated for .223 out to 1000 yards.

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enefgee said:
Actually, this is an interesting point - if you look at some of the junk issued by various militaries (even first world militaries) you're almost better off NOT using anything military. L85? FAMAS? all of those nations still issuing the AK. China - the worlds next Superpower issues a rifle with the safety stuck under your armpit. As far as optics go, if you're looking for a scope that can do everything - the variable 1-4x is very hard to beat. Most major scope manufacturers make one. The fixed 4x is however a great choice for shooting Service Rifle, or if your rifle is NR, for hunting, but if you throw CQB into the mix, the option of low-to-no magnification is preferable.
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I thought only our Canada legal version had the safety/pew switch under your armpit. And of course theirs has the pew pew pew position.
 
Brian46 said:
What does it offer better than the hensoldt?
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The fact that its a illuminated dot or reticle 1x and a 4x at the same time, its well built, top quality glass, doesn't move zero when switching from 1x to 4x, no caps it uses a click latch system for adjustments, dual locking levers.
I own one, its good, not just because i own one and i ditched out the 2k to buy one, i have no problem saying something i bought is crap. With the elcan this is not the case.
There are lots of talkers here, but also lots of walkers as well...
 
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