Anyone seen 2400?

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Have any of you come across Alliant 2400 anywhere lately. I can't find any no matter where I look.
I've come up with alternatives for other calibers that work well but for 44 mag & 357 I just want to stay with 2400.

Picked up 1 lb of N110 and it seems close to 2400 in the 44 but at $50 a pound----yikes!
 
Rooster59 said:
Have any of you come across Alliant 2400 anywhere lately. I can't find any no matter where I look.
I've come up with alternatives for other calibers that work well but for 44 mag & 357 I just want to stay with 2400.

Picked up 1 lb of N110 and it seems close to 2400 in the 44 but at $50 a pound----yikes!
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In my experience H-110 (W-296) outperforms 2400 in both the .44 and .357. $50/lb sounds like robbery to me, check with Hummason Mfg, they list 2400 at $22/pound or 8 pounds for $136.
 
Try Lil gun or h110/w296 they are my powders for magnum loads.

I just did some testing with 5 different powders (h110, Lil gun, 4227, 2400, and Longshot) to replicate factory loads for my 500mag and h110/w296 was the best.
 
Boomer said:
In my experience H-110 (W-296) outperforms 2400 in both the .44 and .357. $50/lb sounds like robbery to me, check with Hummason Mfg, they list 2400 at $22/pound or 8 pounds for $136.
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Though I have thought about H110/296 I haven't tried it yet. From what I've read, it's a full house load or nothing and the spread from start load to max is 1 grain in a 44mag and even less in a 357. I will try some in my 44 one of these days but the 357 is my wife's and I'd rather not set her up with full house type loads.
Now a question for you-----the 44 bullets I have on hand are 240 gr hard cast (no gas checks). With the load I'm using now (18.9 of N110) they average 1176 fps. I could try to push them a bit harder but don't want to get leading.
This is out of a S&W 629, 4.2". I just got it new a few weeks ago so haven't experimented much with it yet.

The last couple of 44's I had leaded pretty bad----one was terrible. I tried different powders, BHN's etc but it didn't matter. After 2 or 3 cylinders worth of shooting there was gobs of lead in the barrel.

The load stated above shoots well in this gun and is pretty clean.
Now I'm rambling but my question is, what is your choice of bullet in a 44---one that can be pushed hard, is accurate and would penetrate if you had to stop a bear?

Also, I googled hummason and see that they're in ON. I'm in BC so shipping might make that awful expensive powder.
 
Rooster59 said:
Though I have thought about H110/296 I haven't tried it yet. From what I've read, it's a full house load or nothing and the spread from start load to max is 1 grain in a 44mag and even less in a 357. I will try some in my 44 one of these days but the 357 is my wife's and I'd rather not set her up with full house type loads.
Now a question for you-----the 44 bullets I have on hand are 240 gr hard cast (no gas checks). With the load I'm using now (18.9 of N110) they average 1176 fps. I could try to push them a bit harder but don't want to get leading.
This is out of a S&W 629, 4.2". I just got it new a few weeks ago so haven't experimented much with it yet.

The last couple of 44's I had leaded pretty bad----one was terrible. I tried different powders, BHN's etc but it didn't matter. After 2 or 3 cylinders worth of shooting there was gobs of lead in the barrel.

The load stated above shoots well in this gun and is pretty clean.
Now I'm rambling but my question is, what is your choice of bullet in a 44---one that can be pushed hard, is accurate and would penetrate if you had to stop a bear?

Also, I googled hummason and see that they're in ON. I'm in BC so shipping might make that awful expensive powder.
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for 357mag and a 158gr bullet the min and max are 15gr to 16.7gr. (hodgdon's data) i found 15gr works plenty, but you are correct that it's a full house load.

are you casting bullets or buying them? there are many factors that lead to leading, but i suspect undersized bullets.

with regards to hummason i believe shipping is reasonable and free with larger orders, 20lbs comes to mind, but that might be higginsons.
 
Rooster59 said:
Though I have thought about H110/296 I haven't tried it yet. From what I've read, it's a full house load or nothing and the spread from start load to max is 1 grain in a 44mag and even less in a 357. I will try some in my 44 one of these days but the 357 is my wife's and I'd rather not set her up with full house type loads.
Now a question for you-----the 44 bullets I have on hand are 240 gr hard cast (no gas checks). With the load I'm using now (18.9 of N110) they average 1176 fps. I could try to push them a bit harder but don't want to get leading.
This is out of a S&W 629, 4.2". I just got it new a few weeks ago so haven't experimented much with it yet.

The last couple of 44's I had leaded pretty bad----one was terrible. I tried different powders, BHN's etc but it didn't matter. After 2 or 3 cylinders worth of shooting there was gobs of lead in the barrel.

The load stated above shoots well in this gun and is pretty clean.
Now I'm rambling but my question is, what is your choice of bullet in a 44---one that can be pushed hard, is accurate and would penetrate if you had to stop a bear?

Also, I googled hummason and see that they're in ON. I'm in BC so shipping might make that awful expensive powder.
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I can't understand why there is so much talk about not being able to load lighter with H110/W296.
I'm looking at my notes here with a 357 S&W. 15 grains was what I considered max in that gun.
But 13 grains gave me 1152 fps, av. of five, almost as much as the 15 grains, with an es of 68.
Same cast Keith bullet and 12 grains of H110 gave 1124 fps with an es of 60.
There were similar results with the 44 mag, going from 25 down to 20 grains.
However, for both of those calibres I prefer 2400. It gave higher velocity, 1415 fps in the 44 mag, with 22 grains and the 252 grain Keith type bullet and an es of 68.
20 grains of 2400 gave 1312, about as high as I ever got with H110/296, with an es of only 41.
Only 17.5 grains of 2400 gave 1120 fps with an es of 45.
 
Spawn-Inc said:
are you casting bullets or buying them? there are many factors that lead to leading, but i suspect undersized bullets.
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I buy them. The only two brands of cast that I've used are Bullet Barn and Missouri. I get .430 for 44.
I'd love to try some from Montana Bullet Works but they, like many others, won't ship to Canada.
 
Rooster59 said:
Though I have thought about H110/296 I haven't tried it yet. From what I've read, it's a full house load or nothing and the spread from start load to max is 1 grain in a 44mag and even less in a 357. I will try some in my 44 one of these days but the 357 is my wife's and I'd rather not set her up with full house type loads.
Now a question for you-----the 44 bullets I have on hand are 240 gr hard cast (no gas checks). With the load I'm using now (18.9 of N110) they average 1176 fps. I could try to push them a bit harder but don't want to get leading.
This is out of a S&W 629, 4.2". I just got it new a few weeks ago so haven't experimented much with it yet.

The last couple of 44's I had leaded pretty bad----one was terrible. I tried different powders, BHN's etc but it didn't matter. After 2 or 3 cylinders worth of shooting there was gobs of lead in the barrel.

The load stated above shoots well in this gun and is pretty clean.
Now I'm rambling but my question is, what is your choice of bullet in a 44---one that can be pushed hard, is accurate and would penetrate if you had to stop a bear?

Also, I googled hummason and see that they're in ON. I'm in BC so shipping might make that awful expensive powder.
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I don't shoot plain based bullets faster than 1000 fps, and although I agree that you can safely use reduced loads with H-110, for mid range loads I use Unique. I understand that some folks prefer Trail Boss but I've used Unique for a very long time, and have developed a comfort level with it in both rifle and pistol applications. With full power loads, I use gas checks, and my 325 gr WFNs clock 1200 without leading.
 
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