Baby steps into reloading... Assistance needed :)

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Hi guys,

So I've been interested in reloading for some time now.
The reason I am interested in reloading is because I take great pride in building my own stuff (working on my AR15 right now) and to allow myself some trials with ammo before the hunting season comes so that maybe I'll use my own ammo when hunting next year.
Mainly interested in loading rifle ammo (270 win, 223 rem to begin with) but I would love to reload some hand gun ammo too.

Now, the questions:
1. The difference between progressive press and regular one? Is the progressive combines steps that will have to be done separatly on the regular press?
2. The machine I have seen is: Lee Pro 1000 progressive 3-hole reloading kit (link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KOVZL4/ref=s9_simh_gw_p200_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1KZ72QT5MMS89ENKXNJ5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846). This set is for 40S&W ammo reloading. Can I use it to reload different ammo if I purchase additional parts (dies or whatever else is needed)?
3. How expensive is the tools required to add additional caliber to my loading set?
4. Any other information you guys think I should know prior to making a purchase?

I'm new to this field, so any piece of information will be highly appreciated. Even if it looks obvious to you experienced loaders, my 'experience' sums to reading posts on this forum and watching some YouTube videos, so please spare no info :)

Thanks everyone for taking the time to read my post,

Aviad
 
I have that press and it is fantastic for loading pistol ammo, not so much for rifle ammo.
Dies are pretty inexpensive and you will also need a shell plate for each caliber. Cost wise iirc you are looking at about $60 for dies, turret, and shell plate for each caliber - they will last you forever if you take care of them.

If your main interest is rifle ammo (and hunting ammo at that, not just plinking 223 ammo) I'd say you would be better looking at something else. Myself, I am primarily a hg shooter and the Lee 1000 suits me just fine. I have loaded 223 on it and it was a pita...after I used up my 1000 223 projectiles I promptly boxed up my 223 dies and told my shooting buddies to kick me in the nuts if I ever started hinting about getting them out to use with my Lee 1000 again ;)
 
Google really IS your friend. I spent hours watching videos and scanning forums . There are answers (most of them good) to every question you might have. Youtube actually simplifies everything with some great videos too.
 
My thoughts in red, strictly my opinion

Hi guys,

So I've been interested in reloading for some time now.
The reason I am interested in reloading is because I take great pride in building my own stuff (working on my AR15 right now) and to allow myself some trials with ammo before the hunting season comes so that maybe I'll use my own ammo when hunting next year.
You will find it as equally rewarding as the shooting part itself
Mainly interested in loading rifle ammo (270 win, 223 rem to begin with) but I would love to reload some hand gun ammo too.

Now, the questions:
1. The difference between progressive press and regular one? Is the progressive combines steps that will have to be done separatly on the regular press?
Everything is still done in one step for the most part, although some dies will do two processes in one draw of the handle (for example you can size your brass and deprime with one die). I personally do everything separate as I go for accuracy and have a combination of dies and processes to go along with that. There is three types of presses for the most part:

A) Single Stage Press (Regular as you call it) - Basically one die at a time, for each process, slower to load ammo but typically you get a better quality product and can focus on accurracy with tight tolerances and everything else. They are also typically cheaper. This is a good option for someone starting off as it simplifies things doing one die at a time, minimal setup required. And you will want accuracy for precision or hunting styles of shooting. My recommendation tends to fall to RCBS like the RockChucker kit, although everyone makes a quality single stage, its hard to mess up.

B) Turret Press - Basically a single stage press with multiple positions for dies. Instead of screwing in and out each individual die, you can put them all in at once, set them proper, and then turn the "turret" to move each die over the cartridge as you go through each process. This allows you to finish one full cartridge at a time as opposed to doing each "stage" in batches like you would a single stage press. Lee (and i am sure other press makers) have an "auto index" turret press that automatically changes the die with each stroke of the piston. With an auto index is basically a half progressive press as you are still dealing with one case at a time. Ideal for quicker loading or medium batches. Lee is my recommendation in this area. Because the dies and turret have lots of play in them, accurracy tends not to be your primary focus versus cranking out your plinking stash.

C) Progressive Press - Automates most processes by moving the cartridge through each die as opposed to the die moving across the cartridge. They are typically expensive and require a lot of tuning to get it right. I never recommend for the beginner as its best you learn on a single stage and work through all the kinks that can cause you challenges and get yourself into habits so you don't miss a step or mess up a step and cause injury to yourself or firearm. Its essential for any large volume loading (which is typically sought by those who shoot AR15 for 223, or competitive handgun shooters for the action sports). Dillon is my favorite in this category. You can find them in small variants like the Lee 3 station you listed below, or to the complex like the Dillon 650/1050 where you have more stations to use more dies.


2. The machine I have seen is: Lee Pro 1000 progressive 3-hole reloading kit (link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KOVZL4/ref=s9_simh_gw_p200_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1KZ72QT5MMS89ENKXNJ5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846). This set is for 40S&W ammo reloading. Can I use it to reload different ammo if I purchase additional parts (dies or whatever else is needed)?
You certainly cant go wrong with that setup, many folks use it for a cost effective entry into the progressive world. Again I really recommend you go with a single stage to kick things off (you can always sell it if you want to crank out higher volumes). Its simply the best to learn on. Additionally single stages tend to be sold in beginner kits from all brands that give you all the essential tools you will need (press, scale, case tray, reloading manual, powder measure, etc).

3. How expensive is the tools required to add additional caliber to my loading set?
This varies quite a bit from brand to brand. I dont have experience with the Lee presses personally. Also note some presses require significant tinkering to change calber however some presses (such as Dillon's) allow you to "hot swap" calibers by changing out the turret plates with your dies already in place. That is something to consider from a cost and ease of use point of view.

I find with my reloading if I am looking for plinking high volume batches I am looking at $100 per caliber (as I am just buying dies, I have all my other tools and machinery - and doesnt include my components). Then for calibers that I focus on accurracy such as 308, I have about $300 in dies as I use competition / match grade dies with tighter tolerance.

You will find your initial investment high with all the bits and pieces. Pickup a $25 reloading manual which will serve as your research base for reloading itself but also what tools and equipment you will need. All the majors make a decent book. I tend to recommend the Hornady book to new reloaders as its an easy read and quite comprehensive. I never got into reloading to keep my costs down as I soon found out it was as addictive as buying guns, and I continually upgrade equipment for better results or efficiency. Additionally the main phrase is you won't save money on ammo, you will just shoot a lot more for the same price. Buy in bulk when you can on components.


4. Any other information you guys think I should know prior to making a purchase?
Again I highly recommend getting a single stage press kit with all the basics and learn and tinker from there, you won't regret it. I personally found it easier to start with rifle cases versus handgun but to each there own in that regard.

I'm new to this field, so any piece of information will be highly appreciated. Even if it looks obvious to you experienced loaders, my 'experience' sums to reading posts on this forum and watching some YouTube videos, so please spare no info :)
Everyone starts somewhere and I was lucky to have good friends who coached and continue to mentor me along the way.

Thanks everyone for taking the time to read my post,

Aviad
 
My $0.02 is this.

Forget the progressive for loading rifle ammo. If you want quality and consistent ammo then get yourself a single stage press to learn on and make great rifle ammo. I have a lee press for this and it works well.

If you want to start loading pistol ammo then look at the lee classic cast turret. It's a much better machine to load ammo on than the lee progressive's. I had one and it worked well, but was a bit slow.

I've since sold the classic turret and bought a Dillon 550b for all high volume pistol needs. I still load precision pistol and all rifle rounds with my single stage.

Later........
 
Google really IS your friend. I spent hours watching videos and scanning forums . There are answers (most of them good) to every question you might have. Youtube actually simplifies everything with some great videos too.

Thank you for your input. I will keep doing my research of course. A forum however is better for getting information (in my mind) because it is 'peer reviewed' --> i.e. if someone is going to say that the ABC brand is the only one to go, and for the very least you should avoid the XYZ brand, then other users will read his response, and if nonsense, they will make a comment of that. A blog, owned by some kid, is not reviewed, and the only way to make sure he knows what he is talking about would be to check his credentials, which in this case are non relevant as much as experience, which is something I couldn't evaluate.
p.s. - love your signature (and Canada...)

I have that press and it is fantastic for loading pistol ammo, not so much for rifle ammo.
Dies are pretty inexpensive and you will also need a shell plate for each caliber. Cost wise iirc you are looking at about $60 for dies, turret, and shell plate for each caliber - they will last you forever if you take care of them.

If your main interest is rifle ammo (and hunting ammo at that, not just plinking 223 ammo) I'd say you would be better looking at something else. Myself, I am primarily a hg shooter and the Lee 1000 suits me just fine. I have loaded 223 on it and it was a pita...after I used up my 1000 223 projectiles I promptly boxed up my 223 dies and told my shooting buddies to kick me in the nuts if I ever started hinting about getting them out to use with my Lee 1000 again ;)

Thank you very much for the informative answer. Guess I will have to go with a different brand, cause my main interest will be reloading hunting rounds. Is there a brand that you use / recommend for rifle calibers?
Ideally if I can find a machine to reload (effectively) 223 rem, 270 win, 9mm, 40S&W, that will be a great solution for me. If I'd need two presses (one for guns & one for HG), then the first one I'm interested in will be the rifle press, and later I'd look into the HG press. If there's one that will do both, I'd love to get your suggestion.

Thanks again,

Aviad
 
what i did was get the cheap" lee anniversary kit " single stage press, great to learn and experiment on, progressive press is more .. setup for this with this much powder for this bullet and make 500 of them.
have dillon 650 for 9mm, 40 and 45acp . do all my rifle stuff on the single stage,
 
Great timing for this thread. I've been thinking about reloading as the interest for larger magnum cartridges is gaining traction in my mind. I don't think I'll buy a S&W model 629 without some serious consideration for reloading. I found Hicock45's videos a little helpful and entertaining (as always). I wish I had a friend with a Dillon 550b or a neighbour that would split the cost with me for the equipment, but this is never going to happen. It is looking to be really expensive to get set up properly if you want to do it right the first time. Apparently, this is something you should do right the first time to avoid all of the headaches but quality equipment is just like buying quality firearms - you get what you pay for. Some vids:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI7L54ll4Ks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irC3NuIKDm4

Expensive but worth it for the fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4cynaHNe44
 
Take a look at the Lee Classic Cast, 4 hole turret press kit (approx. $350). It is one of the most flexible presses and will allow you to load high quality rifle ammo and pistol ammo. The kit and a set of dies (and reloading components) will provide everything you need to start loading for pistol. For rifle, you will need dies and will also likely want a powder measure (the Lee perfect powder measure looks like a toy but performs astoundingly well with stick powders and can be found for about $25).

I've started reloading on a Lee Turret for .223 and have been turning out ammo that consistently shoots sub .7 MOA and often sub 0.5 MOA. This might be improved with a different press but I'm pretty happy with the results so far.

At some point I can see myself getting a single stage, just to see if it makes a difference but I'm glad I started out with the 4 hole press. The convenience of having all the dies for a particular calibre permanently set-up on separate turret heads is very nice - it takes seconds to change calibres.

Good luck
 
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My thoughts in red, strictly my opinion

Thank you very much for this lovely well detailed answer. You make some great points, and it was very helpful for reloading newb such as myself.


My $0.02 is this.

Forget the progressive for loading rifle ammo. If you want quality and consistent ammo then get yourself a single stage press to learn on and make great rifle ammo. I have a lee press for this and it works well.

If you want to start loading pistol ammo then look at the lee classic cast turret. It's a much better machine to load ammo on than the lee progressive's. I had one and it worked well, but was a bit slow.

I've since sold the classic turret and bought a Dillon 550b for all high volume pistol needs. I still load precision pistol and all rifle rounds with my single stage.

Later........

Thanks for your three cents (inflation adjusted... hehe). From reading your post I understand people use several types of presses, which is something I didn't consider before. Since I'm more into reloading my rifles than my handguns, this was very important for me to learn. Thanks!


what i did was get the cheap" lee anniversary kit " single stage press, great to learn and experiment on, progressive press is more .. setup for this with this much powder for this bullet and make 500 of them.
have dillon 650 for 9mm, 40 and 45acp . do all my rifle stuff on the single stage,

I was able to find that set for ~100 free delivery, so I guess it's on! Thanks.


Great timing for this thread. I've been thinking about reloading as the interest for larger magnum cartridges is gaining traction in my mind. I don't think I'll buy a S&W model 629 without some serious consideration for reloading. I found Hicock45's videos a little helpful and entertaining (as always). I wish I had a friend with a Dillon 550b or a neighbour that would split the cost with me for the equipment, but this is never going to happen. It is looking to be really expensive to get set up properly if you want to do it right the first time. Apparently, this is something you should do right the first time to avoid all of the headaches but quality equipment is just like buying quality firearms - you get what you pay for. Some vids:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI7L54ll4Ks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irC3NuIKDm4

Expensive but worth it for the fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4cynaHNe44

Thank you for those great links!



Thanks E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E!

Aviad
 
Take a look at the Lee Classic Cast, 4 hole turret press kit (approx. $350). It is one of the most flexible presses and will allow you to load high quality rifle ammo and pistol ammo. The kit and a set of dies (and reloading components) will provide everything you need to start loading for pistol. For rifle, you will need dies and will also likely want a powder measure (the Lee perfect powder measure looks like a toy but performs astoundingly well with stick powders and can be found for about $25).

I've started reloading on a Lee Turret for .223 and have been turning out ammo that consistently shoots sub .7 MOA and often sub 0.5 MOA. This might be improved with a different press but I'm pretty happy with the results so far.

At some point I can see myself getting a single stage, just to see if it makes a difference but I'm glad I started out with the 4 hole press. The convenience of having all the dies for a particular calibre permanently set-up on separate turret heads is very nice - it takes seconds to change calibres.

Good luck

If I were to do it all over, I'd get a Lee Classic Cast. Can be used as a single stage or with a couple part's, a progerssive.
 
I'll add another vote for the Lee classic cast turret press! I have one and have loaded 1000's of rifle rounds on it without a problem. I started reloading about a year and a half ago and had all of the same questions. I bought Richard lee's modern reloading book and that answered at least 90% of my questions and helped me pick a turret press over a single stage or progressive.

It's by far one of the most flexible presses on the market and can load damn near any caliber that has standard 7/8 dies.

Just for fun here's the calibers I currently load on my lee turret press:

6.5x52 carcano
6.5x54 ms
6.5x55 swedish
7.5x55 Swiss
7.62x54r
303 British
8x57 Mauser
.43 Mauser

One more thing that's nice is you can remove the indexing rod from the press which makes it like a single stage but you can still turn the turret by hand to switch to the next die. That's a good feature for new handloaders as you can run single stage til you have more experience. I still run my press as a single stage cause I batch load.

Now if cost is a concern, buy the lee anniversary kit for I think $129.99? My brother loads with that kit and his ammo is every bit as accurate as mine.
 
Hello Aviad. if you haven't gotten one already i would highly recommend getting a reloading manual. also have a look at a book called the ABC's of reloading.
i noticed your a member of SGC.
lots of great guys there. go to range # 4 on Saturday or range # 5 on Saturday morning before noon for the 22 competition fun shoot and speak to some of the old time shooters. if you talk to them nicely they may even invite you over to their house to try some reloading on defiant presses.

good luck and welcome to the world of reloading.
 
Hi again everyone,

First off, thanks everyone for all the information you have provided and for taking the time to educate me about reloading.

I have got some great information here, and I have figured out my next step.. I'm going to listen to you guys and get a manual ;)
As things stand right now, I think I will get the Lee Classic Cast that was recommended here, but seeing how I'm in no rush do start reloading, I'd wait with that purchase until I have read through the book / manual.

Thanks again!

Aviad
 
I bought the Lee anniversary kit about 7 years ago and still use it to this day. I have upgraded the scale to a digital and have bought a RCBS case mate since. This will have almost everything you need to start and you can upgrade later if you feel you need to, but not likely will you need to. You will need dies and a trim pilot for the caliber you are reloading and you have everything you need. Then invest in loading manuals and lots of internet searching (with a grain of salt of course, never just start with what you read. always have reliable info to compare it to). I also did buy a tumbler later on. Good luck and if you are thinking you will save money reloading you will be sadly mistaken as it turns into a disease. You will shoot a lot more though.
 
Hi again everyone,

First off, thanks everyone for all the information you have provided and for taking the time to educate me about reloading.

I have got some great information here, and I have figured out my next step.. I'm going to listen to you guys and get a manual ;)
As things stand right now, I think I will get the Lee Classic Cast that was recommended here, but seeing how I'm in no rush do start reloading, I'd wait with that purchase until I have read through the book / manual.

Thanks again!

Aviad

I can speak from my experience though I really don't have anything more substantive to add. I agree with one of the posts that once you are in to reloading and find a great load recipe for your rifle, it's as rewarding as firing the cartridge on target. It can appear quite intimidating. I picked up my gear and had the benefit of my club safety officer, who has been reloading for 20 years, show me how. I reload for rifle only and have a single stage press. I have been reloading for 1.5 years. I concur with the others, buy a single stage press (used if you can find one) and become a competent reloader. Once you've mastered that press, then you can venture into a turret press or a progressive press more easily. My advice would be...."don't be in a rush" and don't expect immediate savings. The up front cost on equipment, even a single stage set up, can run you a few dollars. Good luck and enjoy!!!
 
Avidad. I'm a SGC member as well and live about 5 min from the club. I got my start with a tour from a friend and mentor who shoots during the morning piggy shoot on Saturdays (Rod_B). Seeing his setup greatly helped me. Some if the guys who shoot there are fantastic reloaders and Id be happy to introduce you to them.

You are welcome to send me a PM and come over to my place and I will show your around my setup.

I also did a one day reloading course with Pete Peens in Oakville / Burlington. I thought it was very worthwhile and got great tips from him also.
 
Avidad. I'm a SGC member as well and live about 5 min from the club. I got my start with a tour from a friend and mentor who shoots during the morning piggy shoot on Saturdays (Rod_B). Seeing his setup greatly helped me. Some if the guys who shoot there are fantastic reloaders and Id be happy to introduce you to them.

You are welcome to send me a PM and come over to my place and I will show your around my setup.

I also did a one day reloading course with Pete Peens in Oakville / Burlington. I thought it was very worthwhile and got great tips from him also.

Thank you very much for your generous invite! I would love to see a setup with my eyes before making a purchase, just didn't know anyone who is reloading..
I've been to the range yesterday, and the next time I'm planning on coming is the next weekend, since I have quite a bit of a drive from Richmond Hill..
Will also PM you with my contact info, so we can make arrangements privately, but I wanted to ask you about something from your post, that I think will interest everyone;
What is the morning piggy shoot? I have read something about it in another post, but didn't hear anything about it at the range, and have been there 10 times in the last three months. Is it something that is open for all members?
Checked SGC website and there is nothing posted at the events section. What's with the secrecy? lol

Thanks,

Aviad
 
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